skull session

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by reccer

So, you want to narrow the strike zone by 8 inches?


No I'm narrowing the strike zone by 4 inches of the outside edge.

I disagree. Pitches down the opposite batters box stripe are not hitable, particularly by small females.

That bat is almost 3 feet long! Lay the bat across the plate, and it goes box-to-box. Even a midget can stretch her arms long enough to reach it!

[reccer]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

That bat is almost 3 feet long! Lay the bat across the plate, and it goes box-to-box. Even a midget can stretch her arms long enough to reach it!

Actually, its 33-34 inches long. Those 2-3 inches make a big difference when you are talking about a bats sweets spot.

I didn't say the pitch wasn't touchable, I said it wasn't hitable, with any semblance of form. Some of you slow pitch guys are 6'4" with wing spans from here to there, and plenty of upper body strength. You don't notice the problem.

Females don't have the comparable upper body strength and have to cast out like crazy to reach that pitch and when they do, dink to F5. Their hips and butt are no longer able to provide any power.

Do you remember the hitting drill where you stood near a wall and put the knob against your bellow button and the opposite end of the bat against the wall and attempted full speed swings without hitting the wall? The purpose of that drill was to keep you from casting out.

[Dakota]

I'm sorry, reccer, but IMO, your suggestion about shrinking the strike zone is absurd. JMO, though.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by reccer

Actually, its 33-34 inches long. Those 2-3 inches make a big difference when you are talking about a bats sweets spot.

I didn't say the pitch wasn't touchable, I said it wasn't hitable, with any semblance of form. Some of you slow pitch guys are 6'4" with wing spans from here to there, and plenty of upper body strength. You don't notice the problem.

Females don't have the comparable upper body strength and have to cast out like crazy to reach that pitch and when they do, dink to F5. Their hips and butt are no longer able to provide any power.

Do you remember the hitting drill where you stood near a wall and put the knob against your bellow button and the opposite end of the bat against the wall and attempted full speed swings without hitting the wall? The purpose of that drill was to keep you from casting out.

Two words.


Pujols

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

That bat is almost 3 feet long! Lay the bat across the plate, and it goes box-to-box. Even a midget can stretch her arms long enough to reach it!

Like many of the SP players FP usually mock, he wants to play t-ball

[reccer]

Dakota: No problem, I figured since we added those two pitcher lines it might fly.

Wade: I hated that drill. It was not real world realistic. I still see his home run that basically ended Lidge as a closer in Houston.

Like many of the SP players FP usually mock, he wants to play t-ball

Mike, just to be clear, spent 3 nites* a week playing on multiple SP teams and tourneys on the weekend before we had kids, it was the best time of my life. By contrast, hitting FP is just theory with me, never faced one that you couldn't plug in. "She" puts it in the same spot, same speed and I wear her out.

*that's how I spell it.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by reccer

"She" puts it in the same spot, same speed and I wear her out.

To quote The Office...

"That's what she said!"

[IRISHMAFIA]

A few years ago at the ASA National UIC Clinic they presented a study about that "outside" pitch.

I believed they used a 14-16 yo. Positioned in the center of the BB, she solidly hit the pitch approx. 6" outside the plate.

Have your DD stand in the middle of the BB. That should put her toes about 20 inches from the edge of the plate. Even if her wrists only reach the edge of the BB, there is still 10" of that 33" bat beyond the far edge of the plate. And that is if she is just standing there. She strides into the pitch, there should be no problem getting the sweet spot outside of the plate.

And those pitches are more hitable than the high and low corners which is why umpires pick it up, push it down and take it out.

[wadeintothem]

It common knowledge and theory that the outside is THE hittable spot.
That is why pitchers at all levels "brush em off" the plate. It is to get ownership of the outside. The rule of thumb is "the outside belongs to the pitcher". They cant allow the batter to own that.

This is basic info and nothing new to most of the people involved in sports involving a bat and ball.

Pitching 101 BASIC BASIC BASIC info.

[reccer]

Alright guys, I will run Mike's test on DD and report back.

Wade, I think Tom Glavine and Tim McCarver might disagree with you. Speaking of McCarver, here is a website for you:

Shut Up Tim McCarver!!!** Tim McCarver @ ShutUpTimMcCarver.com

[wadeintothem]

[QUOTE=reccer;607794]
Wade, I think Tom Glavine and Tim McCarver might disagree with you. Speaking of McCarver, here is a website for you:

[QUOTE]

I rest my case...

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by reccer

Alright guys, I will run Mike's test on DD and report back.

Wade, I think Tom Glavine and Tim McCarver might disagree with you. Speaking of McCarver, here is a website for you:

Shut Up Tim McCarver!!!** Tim McCarver @ ShutUpTimMcCarver.com

If this putz didn't happen to fall into the catching position for Steve Carlton, he never would have received the attention he did in the MLB. The only reason anyone paid attention to him then was because Carlton wouldn't talk and McCarver wasn't embarassed to place himself in front of the vacant microphone. And even then he talked out his *** making little to no sense.

[reccer]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

A few years ago at the ASA National UIC Clinic they presented a study about that "outside" pitch.

I believed they used a 14-16 yo. Positioned in the center of the BB, she solidly hit the pitch approx. 6" outside the plate.

Have your DD stand in the middle of the BB. That should put her toes about 20 inches from the edge of the plate. Even if her wrists only reach the edge of the BB, there is still 10" of that 33" bat beyond the far edge of the plate. And that is if she is just standing there. She strides into the pitch, there should be no problem getting the sweet spot outside of the plate.

And those pitches are more hitable than the high and low corners which is why umpires pick it up, push it down and take it out.

Results of static test in the kitchen, not at the ballpark:

16 year old 5' 2" female subject was positioned 20 inches from home plate. Her grip was not choked up. Using her regular swing with no stride ("sit and spin") careful NCASA-- this is my daughter her bat does not reach the far edge of the plate, let alone your strike zone edge. Further, even if she casts her arms straight out, the bat does not reach 10 inches beyond the plate.

Gonna be awhile before I can field test this. She is in one of those 16 year old moods.

I wonder how tall was the subject in the test. If you have a link to that study I would love to read it.

[Dakota]

She must have short arms or a short bat; or both.

Wrists at edge of batter's box means the wrists are 23 inches from the far edge of the plate.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by reccer

Results of static test in the kitchen, not at the ballpark:

16 year old 5' 2" female subject was positioned 20 inches from home plate. Her grip was not choked up. Using her regular swing with no stride ("sit and spin") careful NCASA-- this is my daughter her bat does not reach the far edge of the plate, let alone your strike zone edge. Further, even if she casts her arms straight out, the bat does not reach 10 inches beyond the plate.

Gonna be awhile before I can field test this. She is in one of those 16 year old moods.

I wonder how tall was the subject in the test. If you have a link to that study I would love to read it.

So, your daughter has no arms? If you place the bat at her toes, the end of it would be 4" from the outside edge of the plate. So, for the bat to not reach the outer edge of the plate, your daughter's arms must be less than 4" long. Hell, I'd be moody, too.