Cheering during game....

[CajunNewBlue]

Speaking PONY.... no there is nothing to back the coaches request as is.... now if it gets vulgar or personal or racial.... then warn.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue

Speaking PONY.... no there is nothing to back the coaches request as is.... now if it gets vulgar or personal or racial.... then warn.

Personal, I'd warn. Vulgar, I'd definitely warn, if not eject (depends on what's said). Racial? Hell no, they're gone. If the whole team is cheering a "racial cheer" (boy, isn't THAT an oxymoron!), and the coach does nothing to stop it, I'm running the coach.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Personal, I'd warn. Vulgar, I'd definitely warn, if not eject (depends on what's said). Racial? Hell no, they're gone. If the whole team is cheering a "racial cheer" (boy, isn't THAT an oxymoron!), and the coach does nothing to stop it, I'm running the coach.

Yeah well, things are a little different in Louisiana

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Yeah well, things are a little different in Louisiana

Durned Cajuns!

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Yeah well, things are a little different in Louisiana

I always appreciate a good verbal smack at our friends from the swamp.

I'm a little gun shy this week. I tried to give a verbal jab at one of the swampers last week on another board, all I did was step on it.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue

Speaking PONY.... no there is nothing to back the coaches request as is.... now if it gets vulgar or personal or racial.... then warn.

Now define vulgar or racial. What may be racial in CA may not be in LA. What may be vulgar in OH may not be in NC.

I'm not suggesting what is considered "socially unacceptable" language altogether (though I do not believe in profanity), just make sure you are aware of the context in which a certain word or phrase is being used when working a game between teams from different regions before you start warning and ejecting folks. Even if it is unacceptable where you may be standing, most coaches will understand the problem if explained to them assuming there is some level of intelligence there. Okay, stop laughing, I was trying to be serious.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Now define vulgar or racial. What may be racial in CA may not be in LA. What may be vulgar in OH may not be in NC.

I'm not suggesting what is considered "socially unacceptable" language altogether (though I do not believe in profanity), just make sure you are aware of the context in which a certain word or phrase is being used when working a game between teams from different regions before you start warning and ejecting folks. Even if it is unacceptable where you may be standing, most coaches will understand the problem if explained to them assuming there is some level of intelligence there. Okay, stop laughing, I was trying to be serious.

They do this thread over in basketball a couple times a year.

Everyone has opinions on whats socially unacceptable and so forth.

Here is my jibberish.

I'm reffing a HS basketball Boys Varsity. Both schools are urban schools. Visitor player blocks Home players shot OOB. I'm watching the kids.

kid whose shot was just blocked " he!! ni**er you couldn't do that again if I let you. "

Blocker : Laughs: then they do a handshake thing and play on.

In context there was nothing going on but 2 kids doing their thing. Out of context we got racial slurs, taunting and whatever else you need to grab out of said Sitch.

I let the kids do their thing.

So it may be a had to be there thing.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

HS basketball Boys Varsity. Both schools are urban schools. Visitor player blocks Home players shot OOB. I'm watching the kids.

kid [blockee] whose shot was just blocked " he!! ni**er you couldn't do that again if I let you. "

Blocker : Laughs: then they do a handshake thing and play on.

I have lived and officiated boys'/girls' H.S. and women's college basketball in both Miami and Los Angeles, and in my games, the "blockee" would be gone. Why? There is NEVER (with apologies to the late J. Dallas Shirley) any excuse for one not conducting herself/himself as a lady/gentleman. It is crass and boorish behavior at the very least. If they want to do that on the playground that is their business but not in an organized game at the high school or college level.

MTD, Sr.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I have lived and officiated boys'/girls' H.S. and women's college basketball in both Miami and Los Angeles, and in my games, the "blockee" would be gone. Why? There is NEVER (with apologies to the late J. Dallas Shirley) any excuse for one not conducting herself/himself as a lady/gentleman. It is crass and boorish behavior at the very least. If they want to do that on the playground that is their business but not in an organized game at the high school or college level.

MTD, Sr.

I'm reffing a HS basketball Boys Varsity. Both schools are urban schools. Visitor player blocks Home players shot OOB. I'm watching the kids.

kid whose shot was just blocked " he!! ni**er you couldn't do that again if I let you.
Blocker : Laughs: then they do a handshake thing and play on.
In context there was nothing going on but 2 kids doing their thing. Out of context we got racial slurs, taunting and whatever else you need to grab out of said Sitch.

I let the kids do their thing. So it may be a had to be there thing.

Thank you for making my point. Different cultures, different reaction to the same event.

Part of the problem with this country is the lack of intelligence in understanding we ain't all the same. While some may take tolerance to an extreme absurdity, others believe their way is the only way and everyone should conform to them.

In the infamous words of Frank Burns: Individuality is fine, as long as we all do it together.

Far too many Frank Burns in this world.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

(snip)

Far too many Frank Burns in this world.

and not enough Margaret Houlihans......

(sure I wasn't the first to think it... just the first to type it)

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Thank you for making my point. Different cultures, different reaction to the same event.

Part of the problem with this country is the lack of intelligence in understanding we ain't all the same. While some may take tolerance to an extreme absurdity, others believe their way is the only way and everyone should conform to them.

In the infamous words of Frank Burns: Individuality is fine, as long as we all do it together.

Far too many Frank Burns in this world.

Irish:

It is not about different cultures it is about one conduciting herself/himself as a lady/gentleman. Either one act in a sportsmanlike manner during a sporting event or one does not.

MTD, Sr.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Irish:

It is not about different cultures it is about one conduciting herself/himself as a lady/gentleman. Either one act in a sportsmanlike manner during a sporting event or one does not.

MTD, Sr.

Having experienced life in places of different cultures North America and meeting folks from many different places, I can assure you different cultures can create a huge difference in opinions of behavior.

There are many people that consider their actions or language completely within that of a sportsmanship manner that others may consider utterly disgusting.

[bkbjones]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Now define vulgar or racial. What may be racial in CA may not be in LA. What may be vulgar in OH may not be in NC.

To paraphrase Potter Stewart (Supreme Court justice, not Col. Potter), I don't know how to define vulgar or racial, but I know it when I hear it. What is vulgar or racial to me (a white guy who was raised middle class back when there was a middle class) may not be racial or vulgar to you. When I hear it I will likely take care of it, but my definition and Mike's definition I can assure you are different.

The one thing I do NOT allow, no no no no no, is banging balls, bats, other equipment off metal benches, dugout fences, etc. The cheers I can tolerate. 10 girls banging one or more softball(s) on the bench to make more noise, nope, not today. Do all that "holy cow that was foul, moooooove it over" you want, do "16 to the green" just as the hands seperate, I don't care.