washington/Georgia

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by bkbjones

I have an easy solution.

GET RID OF THE LINES.

But then the pitcher wouldn't have anything on the ground to get them into the habit of pitching legally.

I have a better idea. The coaches know damn well when their pitcher is illegal. If they don't, they shouldn't be the coach.

During season, have umpires who believe it is an issue report a pitcher/team to local conference. At the direction of the conference, have game footage filmed (which may already happen at the higher levels) and submitted for evaluation.

Where a pitcher is questionable, the coach is informed that their pitcher is suspect. If the team reaches the playoffs and the pitcher is deemed illegal, fine the coach and school $20K and remove the pitcher from the team.

Yeah, a pipedream and a ****load of bureaucracy, but the only thing these people fear is the loss of cash and eligibility.

[kcg NC2Ablu]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

But then the pitcher wouldn't have anything on the ground to get them into the habit of pitching legally.

I have a better idea. The coaches know damn well when their pitcher is illegal. If they don't, they shouldn't be the coach.

During season, have umpires who believe it is an issue report a pitcher/team to local conference. At the direction of the conference, have game footage filmed (which may already happen at the higher levels) and submitted for evaluation.

Where a pitcher is questionable, the coach is informed that their pitcher is suspect. If the team reaches the playoffs and the pitcher is deemed illegal, fine the coach and school $20K and remove the pitcher from the team.

Yeah, a pipedream and a ****load of bureaucracy, but the only thing these people fear is the loss of cash and eligibility.

why do all of that? why not just call it all year so when they get to the WCWS she knows how to correct for it. pitchers are taught to go as illegal as possible until they get banged for it then move back. just like they do when they throw at a corner and walk the pitch out until we call it a ball. the problem is people dont bang the illegal pitches early and often they wait to long and then dont call it at all hence why a lot of these illegal pitches are "controversial" and as I am sure you know that lane was put as an effect for one person who doesnt even play anymore in the NCAA

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

why do all of that? why not just call it all year so when they get to the WCWS she knows how to correct for it. pitchers are taught to go as illegal as possible until they get banged for it then move back. just like they do when they throw at a corner and walk the pitch out until we call it a ball. the problem is people dont bang the illegal pitches early and often they wait to long and then dont call it at all hence why a lot of these illegal pitches are "controversial" and as I am sure you know that lane was put as an effect for one person who doesnt even play anymore in the NCAA

The whole point of the lane argument, though, is this; it hasn't changed the PU's ability to see whether or not the pitcher is violating the 24" lane rule because of the primary focus of the PU. Are you going to guess an IP? Or are you going to abandon your primary focus to watch the feet of the pitcher instead? Or, are you going to just enforce it the way you have all along?

[kcg NC2Ablu]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

The whole point of the lane argument, though, is this; it hasn't changed the PU's ability to see whether or not the pitcher is violating the 24" lane rule because of the primary focus of the PU. Are you going to guess an IP? Or are you going to abandon your primary focus to watch the feet of the pitcher instead? Or, are you going to just enforce it the way you have all along?

btw as seen this weekend when U3 is rotated its acceptable and a focus for that umpire to be able to make that call too. However when not working 3 man I agree its hard and has to be pretty obvious even with the lane that disapears after the 1st or 2nd inning for anyone to call it. The bottom line to all of this is the fact that its a tough call to see anyway you look at it and no matter what umpire calls it ( U3 when rotated or PU) its tough to make even with a line becuase you have plenty of other responsibilities(although its easier for U3 when rotated)I am going to call what I see no matter what and hopefully if the pitcher is out of the lane I will be able to call the illegal pitch when it happens.

[IRISHMAFIA]

I believe this sentence:

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

the problem is people dont bang the illegal pitches early and often they wait to long and then dont call it at all hence why a lot of these illegal pitches are "controversial"

answers this question:

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

why do all of that? why not just call it all year so when they get to the WCWS she knows how to correct for it.

Whether we like it or not, the coaches in a conference DO have a say in who is acceptable to work their games and if the assignor wants to keep making the $$ which goes with a very difficult job, s/he will do as much to accommodate a team/conference as the umpire. And that is okay, it is their job.

I'm not badmouthing or accusing anyone here. It is what it is and it is not likely to change anytime soon.

[3SPORT]

I have got to believe that everyone who played Georgia has either sent tape to conference directors, assigners, SUIP etc. of Hamiltons delivery. The crews probably reviewed tape of this before the WCWS.

From watching the WCWS the coaches have questioned the umpires on this and she has been called for several IP's. The umpires answer is that they are watching but also need to watch the pitch and if it is clear, then they will make the call. They made the call from HP and BU's when it was clear and on several pitches, even when they were rotated, they did not make a call when it looked like she was out of the lane. But it is tough to see every time.

They interviewed Hamilton and she said she has worked hard to stay legal

Again to fix the edge the pitchers get by just having the tip of the toe touching the pitchers lane lines to be legal is to put another change in the rule to make it an easier call for the umpires and to reign in the pitchers.

This will be up to the coaches to make that change.

Any suggestions on a rule change?

[ronald]

Originally Posted by 3SPORT

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Any suggestions on a rule change?

Yup. 1)They went to half the foot on the rubber, what, 2 years ago? (Judgment that half is on the rubber)

Half a foot on the line. You can get enough of a view and get the pitch. Work on it.

2) Back of Heel has to be on the line. Hamilton turns her left foot towards 1st base and the toe is maybe on, maybe off and that is difficult to see. Get the heel on and the rest of the foot is probably inside and any advantage is greatly diminished.
Of course, you guys are going to complain about can not see the heel. However, if a little is out, they have not gained as much as they are now.

[3SPORT]

Originally Posted by ronald

Yup. 1)They went to half the foot on the rubber, what, 2 years ago? (Judgment that half is on the rubber)

Half a foot on the line. You can get enough of a view and get the pitch. Work on it.

2) Back of Heel has to be on the line. Hamilton turns her left foot towards 1st base and the toe is maybe on, maybe off and that is difficult to see. Get the heel on and the rest of the foot is probably inside and any advantage is greatly diminished.
Of course, you guys are going to complain about can not see the heel. However, if a little is out, they have not gained as much as they are now.

I was thinking something very similar to the rules concerning placement of the feet on the rubber. Hamiltons foot is completely out of the 24" lane with the exception of the tip of her toe hitting the line (occasionally). The advantage of being out of the pitching lane is still there with an occasional consequence.

They need to make it so that the lane can be enforced consistently. Right now it leads to more discussion on the field than what the lines were intended to do.

[ronald]

stood up and played with foot on a line. No part of heel outside line.

fixes everything. line goes away, umpire judgment. that is the fix i propose.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by 3SPORT

I have got to believe that everyone who played Georgia has either sent tape to conference directors, assigners, SUIP etc. of Hamiltons delivery. The crews probably reviewed tape of this before the WCWS.

From watching the WCWS the coaches have questioned the umpires on this and she has been called for several IP's. The umpires answer is that they are watching but also need to watch the pitch and if it is clear, then they will make the call. They made the call from HP and BU's when it was clear and on several pitches, even when they were rotated, they did not make a call when it looked like she was out of the lane. But it is tough to see every time.

They interviewed Hamilton and she said she has worked hard to stay legal

Again to fix the edge the pitchers get by just having the tip of the toe touching the pitchers lane lines to be legal is to put another change in the rule to make it an easier call for the umpires and to reign in the pitchers.

This will be up to the coaches to make that change.

Any suggestions on a rule change?

Just like a liberal! Whip up a frenzy, complain how terrible something is, demand a change, but never having a solution.

[3SPORT]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Just like a liberal! Whip up a frenzy, complain how terrible something is, demand a change, but never having a solution.

Wow, Mister political. I am far from being a liberal. I am not demanding a change, but I am saying it is broken.
For discussion, umpires thoughts on how it could be better is always healthy.

[bkbjones]

Originally Posted by 3SPORT

Wow, Mister political. I am far from being a liberal. I am not demanding a change, but I am saying it is broken.
For discussion, umpires thoughts on how it could be better is always healthy.

Well, SRW and I know five umpires we could call right away who would make it a very, very unhealthy discussion.