Washington v. USC

slow whistle · #1 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 22, 2009, 11:16pm

Anybody watching this game, play that just happened around 17:30 mark of first half? A1 goes up for a jump shot around the elbow and B1 knocks it out of his hand on the way up. Ball goes towards center line and A1 retreats with B1 chasing..A1 jumps from his FC, catches the ball in the air and lands in BC...no BC violation called....

Did I drink too much vino this evening?

dbking · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 22, 2009, 11:27pm

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Originally Posted by slow whistle

Anybody watching this game, play that just happened around 17:30 mark of first half? A1 goes up for a jump shot around the elbow and B1 knocks it out of his hand on the way up. Ball goes towards center line and A1 retreats with B1 chasing..A1 jumps from his FC, catches the ball in the air and lands in BC...no BC violation called....

Did I drink too much vino this evening?

Not watching but...

The question to be asked is was there a shot attempt?

If the answer is yes, then there is no team control when the shot is attempted. The rule allows any person to gain control of ball while in the air and then land in the back court.

If the anser is no, then there should be a whistle.

My guess is the referee deemed that there was an attempt for a shot.

slow whistle · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 22, 2009, 11:27pm

All kinds of good stuff in this game already! SC kid just tech'd for hanging on the rim...he came in for rebound and ball bounced off the rim to Washington, but there were two Washington guys standing under the rim so SC kid grabbed and hung til they cleared...not sure I agree with this one, there were clearly two guys underneath him and he actually waited until they started the other way to let go giving them an advantage until official blew it dead...tough call and have to see it I understand, but wouldn't you give benefit of the doubt on this type of play? Got Floyd out of his jacket he was not happy!

JRutledge · #4 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 22, 2009, 11:41pm

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All kinds of good stuff in this game already! SC kid just tech'd for hanging on the rim...he came in for rebound and ball bounced off the rim to Washington, but there were two Washington guys standing under the rim so SC kid grabbed and hung til they cleared...not sure I agree with this one, there were clearly two guys underneath him and he actually waited until they started the other way to let go giving them an advantage until official blew it dead...tough call and have to see it I understand, but wouldn't you give benefit of the doubt on this type of play?

I understand why this was called, but I do not think it would have mattered to anyone if the official passed. Then again, that is easy to say with replay.

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Got Floyd out of his jacket he was not happy!

And this is new why?

Peace

slow whistle · #5 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 22, 2009, 11:46pm

Geez rough first half for this crew....bang-bang block/charge and C immediately goes PC and L immediately goes block, neither with any sort of prelminary signal (fist)....and we have the dreaded blarge....

JRutledge · #6 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 22, 2009, 11:46pm

Wow, the commentators know nothing. Just sad how dumb they are.

And you cannot go to the video dumbazz!!!

Peace

slow whistle · #7 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 22, 2009, 11:51pm

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Originally Posted by dbking

Not watching but...

The question to be asked is was there a shot attempt?

If the answer is yes, then there is no team control when the shot is attempted. The rule allows any person to gain control of ball while in the air and then land in the back court.

If the anser is no, then there should be a whistle.

My guess is the referee deemed that there was an attempt for a shot.

Don't agree with this, 9-3 makes an exception for a jump ball and during the throw-in, but in this case A1 established team control in the FC when he left the ground from the FC and caught the ball...landed in the BC I have a violation...but again I am three LARGE glasses of Cab deep tonight...

slow whistle · #8 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 22, 2009, 11:52pm

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Wow, the commentators know nothing. Just sad how dumb they are.

And you cannot go to the video dumbazz!!!

Peace

Yeah they are ridiculous...I love how they are absolutely certain that they are right and the officials are idiots..

slow whistle · #9 (**permalink**) Thu Jan 22, 2009, 11:59pm

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And this is new why?

Peace

Just a bad omen that early in the game...and the bad karma paid off with the BLARGE!

zm1283 · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 23, 2009, 12:31am

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Yeah they are ridiculous...I love how they are absolutely certain that they are right and the officials are idiots..

What were they saying? That you can't have a double foul on a blarge?

JRutledge · #11 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 23, 2009, 12:41am

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What were they saying? That you can't have a double foul on a blarge?

No, we were commenting on the commentators on the game which basically said that the officials had to pick one (foul over the other). And the commentators made it sound like the officials could get together and make a decision and even suggested that they could look at the tape (which they cannot by rule).

Peace

zm1283 · #12 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 23, 2009, 12:46am

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No, we were commenting on the commentators on the game which basically said that the officials had to pick one (foul over the other). And the commentators made it sound like the officials could get together and make a decision and even suggested that they could look at the tape (which they cannot by rule).

Peace

Yeah, I realized you guys were talking about the commentators. I was wondering what they were saying that was making them so clueless since I didn't see the game at all. Thanks for the info.

Nevadaref · #13 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 23, 2009, 03:18am

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Don't agree with this, 9-3 makes an exception for a jump ball and during the throw-in, but in this case A1 established team control in the FC when he left the ground from the FC and caught the ball...landed in the BC I have a violation...but again I am three LARGE glasses of Cab deep tonight...

You are right that the try for goal doesn't matter as the three exceptions do not include gaining control from a missed try.

BTW if the ball was blocked out of the player's hands before it was released on the try, then team control would continue anyway.

slow whistle · #14 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 23, 2009, 07:40am

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You are right that the try for goal doesn't matter as the three exceptions do not include gaining control from a missed try.

BTW if the ball was blocked out of the player's hands before it was released on the try, then team control would continue anyway.

This last point is the one I was not sure about (even though it was BC regardless) - so if the ball does not leave his hand it is not considered a try even though he gathered and came up and it was around his chest on the way up when it was poked out? Just trying to figure out how this would be different if he got the ball to the top and had his shot blocked? TC continues here? Thanks..

RookieDude · #15 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 23, 2009, 08:00am

TC continues untill release on a try.

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