Pithcing lane in the WCWS

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by hawk65

This is a very realistic question and from my limited experience, the most constant and vexing question in officiating -- when do you enforce the rules versus when to pass on a call. Any experienced official knows you make those decisions repeatedly throughout any contest. We also know we're supposed to know the "spirit of the rule," and it seems the powers that be wanted more enforcement of the pitching lane lines so they required those lines be marked on the field. So what is the "spirit of the rule?" To have pitchers noticeably step on or between those lines or to habitually get away with having a tip of the foot barely touch the outside of those lines? When working the plate, it is one of the lowest priorities I have. But if I see a pitcher is constantly very close or outside, I'll call it on her and without any hesitation and do so as quickly as I can in the game. I'll make the pitcher make that adjustment and live within the "spirit of the rule" rather than let her divert my focus. The bane of all conscientious officials are those officials who refuse to enforce some rules because they are tough to enforce. We've all heard, "Nobody else has called that!" And that is true, nobody has called it all season! But are you right or wrong? Or are all the other officials because they didn't know the rule or chose to pass because it wasn't important to them? We all constantly make those choices every game and learn to live with our choice.

What you seem to not realize is, we aren't talking about choosing not to make a call here. We are talking about seeing the call to make it! Big difference. It is easy to see the call when you have nothing else to think about, which is what I pointed out to the OP. You seemed to have taken that to mean that I, and others, won't make the call when we see it.

You are arguing apples and oranges here.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

You are arguing apples and oranges here.

Damn, now I'm hungry again.

[kcg NC2Ablu]

by the way the angle principle that has been posted about the stike zone applies to the pitchers lane too

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by kcg NC2Ablu

by the way the angle principle that has been posted about the stike zone applies to the pitchers lane too

If you are talking about camera angles, I disagree.
(as long as we are talking about the line as chalked).

If you can see the entire foot on the ground and the entire line, you can see that the foot is either in or outside.
If you cant see those things, then I agree, you can't make a judgement.

WIth the strike zone, you can never have that...

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

If you are talking about camera angles, I disagree.
(as long as we are talking about the line as chalked).

If you can see the entire foot on the ground and the entire line, you can see that the foot is either in or outside.
If you cant see those things, then I agree, you can't make a judgement.

WIth the strike zone, you can never have that...

Yeah, when I watched the D2 Championship, they sure made every effort to NOT let us see what appeared to be obvious; that pitcher (Erb) seemed to be WAAAAAAY out.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Yeah, when I watched the D2 Championship, they sure made every effort to NOT let us see what appeared to be obvious; that pitcher (Erb) seemed to be WAAAAAAY out.

Steve, interesting you talk about that particular pitcher. She is local for me and the other Steve (M). I have watched her for her entire college career and while in high school. I'm not saying she isn't out, but she isn't waaaaaay (sic) out. And if you saw the same broadcast I saw, the camera angle is different than the Division I championships.

Steve M and I was working a fall game with her a few years ago (before the lines), and we questioned it (she throws very hard, and you will miss the pitch if you watch her feet). So we looked at foot prints just being curious. Out of the 24", most likely, but not by much. We discussed this with the coach, who didn't want her to be outside because "that takes her off her power line" (I know, it was coach speak). BTW, she does not throw a screw ball.

[kcg NC2Ablu]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

Steve, interesting you talk about that particular pitcher. She is local for me and the other Steve (M). I have watched her for her entire college career and while in high school. I'm not saying she isn't out, but she isn't waaaaaay (sic) out. And if you saw the same broadcast I saw, the camera angle is different than the Division I championships.

Steve M and I was working a fall game with her a few years ago (before the lines), and we questioned it (she throws very hard, and you will miss the pitch if you watch her feet). So we looked at foot prints just being curious. Out of the 24", most likely, but not by much. We discussed this with the coach, who didn't want her to be outside because "that takes her off her power line" (I know, it was coach speak). BTW, she does not throw a screw ball.

and according to someone I know that works lockhaven on a regular season basis she throws extremely hard whatever pitch she may be throwing even if she doesnt have a screw Im sure she has a pitch that moves three ways from sunday before it hits the mitt.

[kcg NC2Ablu]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

If you are talking about camera angles, I disagree.
(as long as we are talking about the line as chalked).

If you can see the entire foot on the ground and the entire line, you can see that the foot is either in or outside.
If you cant see those things, then I agree, you can't make a judgement.

WIth the strike zone, you can never have that...

So the ball that looks like it is in the batters box but is actually hittin gthe corner of the plate couldnt possibly mean that the foot looking like it could be off the chalk but truly be hitting it with even the front part of the foot? In my opinion I think that its totally possible