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Old Tue May 19, 2009, 01:02pm
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I was visualizing the walk-through pitch (no pause) in a effort to catch the batter unawares. I view this as "either-or" on which rule to enforce: 6-2-4-b or 6-1-1-b. I start with "quick pitch". Pitchers almost always cut it out after the first NO PITCH call.
The "walk-through" pitch doesn't always meet the criteria of a quick pitch and all violations of this type are not "walk through" pitches. Pitcher stands behind the pitcher's plate staring at catcher for a few seconds, batter gets in the box and is ready for pitch, pitcher steps the pitcher's plater, immediately brings hands together and starts pitching motion or holds ball with hands together for a couple of seconds and then starts pitching motion.

Both are illegal pitches because the pitcher did not meet the requirements of Rule 6-1-1 parts a and b:

a. "... with the hands separated."
b. "... the pitcher shall take (or simulate taking) a signal from the catcher."

This would not be a quick pitch because the batter is ready.

Rule citations are NFHS.

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So with every runner now being a potential winning run, I do not want to have an IP call be a factor in deciding the game.
What is forgotten is that if you do not call the IP (if one occurs) you are also a factor in the game. An official should call the game according to the rules from the time the contest starts until it is over. If there is an infraction, it should be called. The official making the call is not the reason that a penalty was applied, the direct cause was the player/coach/team that committed the infraction.

We do the teams and our fellow umpires a disservice when we let infractions slide because we might take some heat for making the correct call.

Last edited by marvin; Tue May 19, 2009 at 01:59pm. Reason: remove dreaded small ball language
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Old Tue May 19, 2009, 01:18pm
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The "walk-through" pitch doesn't always meet the criteria of a quick pitch and all violations of this type are not "walk through" pitches. Pitcher stands behind rubber staring at catcher for a few seconds, batter gets in the box and is ready for pitch, pitcher steps on rubber, immediately brings hands together and starts pitching motion or holds ball with hands together for a couple of seconds and then starts pitching motion.

Both are illegal pitches because the pitcher did not meet the requirements of Rule 6-1-1 parts a and b:

a. "... with the hands separated."
b. "... the pitcher shall take (or simulate taking) a signal from the catcher."

This would not be a quick pitch because the batter is ready.

Rule citations are NFHS.
Could you restate this for clarification?
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Old Tue May 19, 2009, 02:02pm
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Could you restate this for clarification?
Pitcher has ball, standing behind pitcher's plate, looking at catcher for a few seconds (I am not assuming what she is doing).

While pitcher is standing behind pitcher's plate the batter gets into the batter's box and gets ready to receive pitch.

Pitcher steps onto the pitcher's plate and immediately brings hands together.

She either - goes into pitching motion immediately OR stands with her hands together for a few seconds and then goes into her pitching motion.

In both cases it is an illegal pitch, but can not be a quick pitch because the batter was ready to receive the pitch.

BTW - I edited my earlier post to remove the dreaded small ball language.
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Old Tue May 19, 2009, 02:09pm
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Pitcher steps onto the pitcher's plate and immediately brings hands together.

She either - goes into pitching motion immediately OR stands with her hands together for a few seconds and then goes into her pitching motion.
I probably wouldn't have a problem with this one. Around here, we are lucky just to get some of the HS pitchers to step onto the plate with their hands separated.
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