Orange Base

[orangebase]

Question, probobly easy, but I am a new ASA umpire.

First Basemen fields ball in fair territory. Fair ball, however the momentum takes him into foul territory. First basemen runs and tags the orange base only before the runner gets to the base. What is the call?

[CajunNewBlue]

out. 8-2m-4, 8-2m-5 (hrmm, ASA rule numbering has me cornfused.)

[Skahtboi]

My call? Get rid of the safety base. It causes more problems than it solves. JMO.

[CajunNewBlue]

better yet.. lets make it a 8' first base ultra-safe mega circle. with some 24" lanes in it.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by orangebase

Question, probobly easy, but I am a new ASA umpire.

First Basemen fields ball in fair territory. Fair ball, however the momentum takes him into foul territory. First basemen runs and tags the orange base only before the runner gets to the base. What is the call?

More data. Did F3 touch the safety base as the momentum was pulling him/her into foul territory, but did s/he move into foul territory and then come back to the base?

Thanks

Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue

better yet.. lets make it a 8' first base ultra-safe mega circle. with some 24" lanes in it.

Hmmmm...sounds familiar...

[CajunNewBlue]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

More data. Did F3 touch the safety base as the momentum was pulling him/her into foul territory, but did s/he move into foul territory and then come back to the base?

Thanks

... he had to run (from foul territory) and tag the orange (colored) part.

OP looks pretty complete.

[orangebase]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

More data. Did F3 touch the safety base as the momentum was pulling him/her into foul territory, but did s/he move into foul territory and then come back to the base?
Thanks

He had to run from foul territory and hit only the orange base. Does this change anything?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by orangebase

He had to run from foul territory and hit only the orange base. Does this change anything?

Yes. When the defense is coming from foul territory to make the play, they are allowed to use the orange bag. OUT.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue

... he had to run (from foul territory) and tag the orange (colored) part.

OP looks pretty complete.

No, that isn't what the OP states, Sam....er, ...CNB.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by orangebase

He had to run from foul territory and hit only the orange base. Does this change anything?

Just validates the out call. As Tom notes, as long as the defender is coming from the foul side of the 1B line, either portion of the base my be used.

[bkbjones]

Originally Posted by orangebase

He had to run from foul territory and hit only the orange base. Does this change anything?

Yes. It's time to get a new batter because the old one is out.

(sorry, couldn't resist...going back to cave..)

[CajunNewBlue]

Originally Posted by orangebase

Question, probobly easy, but I am a new ASA umpire.

First Basemen fields ball in fair territory. Fair ball, however the momentum takes him into foul territory. First basemen runs and tags the orange base only before the runner gets to the base. What is the call?

How does this not state that the fielder was carried/dragged/whatever into foul territory? and how does this not state that he had to run and tag the bag from foul territory?

not to pick nits.. but it looks like a pretty complete OP to me.

h3ll... why am i arguing about it... its not like i wrote it or got the answer wrong.
its all good.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue

How does this not state that the fielder was carried/dragged/whatever into foul territory? and how does this not state that he had to run and tag the bag from foul territory?

not to pick nits.. but it looks like a pretty complete OP to me.

First Basemen fields ball in fair territory. Fair ball, however the momentum takes him into foul territory. First basemen runs and tags the orange base only before the runner gets to the base.

It states that the momentum took the fielder into foul territory. Just making sure his "momentum" and "runs" were not the same action. If it were, F3 does not have the right to use the orange portion of the base.

BTW, I got some real interesting crawfish info last week.

[orangebase]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

First Basemen fields ball in fair territory. Fair ball, however the momentum takes him into foul territory. First basemen runs and tags the orange base only before the runner gets to the base.

It states that the momentum took the fielder into foul territory. Just making sure his "momentum" and "runs" were not the same action. If it were, F3 does not have the right to use the orange portion of the base.

BTW, I got some real interesting crawfish info last week.

This is what my Umpire in Chief gave me:
RULES SUPPLEMENT PAGE 107
1. Appeals
A. Types.
1. Missing a base, forward or backward, or touching the white portion
only of the double base when a play is being made on the
batter-runner at first base.
EXCEPTION: A play from foul territory, or an errant or missed
throw pulling the defensive player into foul territory.

Page 83
E. When the batter-runner runs outside the three-foot lane and, in the umpire’s
judgment, interferes with the fielder taking the throw at first base; however,
the batter-runner may run outside the three-foot lane to avoid a fielder attempting
to field a batted ball. When the defensive player uses the colored
portion of the double base, the batter-runner can run in fair territory when the
throw is coming from the foul side of first base, and if hit by the thrown ball,
it is not interference. If intentional interference is ruled, the runner is out.

Page 84
M. The double base shall be used at first base in all divisions of play. The following
rules should be enforced:
1. A batted ball hitting or bounding over the white portion is fair.
2. A batted ball hitting or bounding over the colored portion is foul.
3. When a play is being made on the batter-runner, the defense must
use the white portion and the batter-runner the colored portion of the
base.
EFFECT: The batter-runner is out when there is a play being made at
first base and the batter-runner touches only the white portion, providing
the defense appeals prior to the batter-runner returning to first base.
Once the runner returns to the white or colored portion of the base, an
appeal shall not be honored.

He states that runner would be called Safe. Interpretations?