NFHS Unreported sub rule

[pbush]

What is the penalty for an unreported sub hitter, caught before first a pitch, after a pitch or after reaching base safely?

I know this may be redundant. I have searched all threads, read the rule book and am still unclear (or just to thick). Thanks

[Dakota]

In all three, a team warning, the sub is recorded, and play stands. If repeated, player and coach are restricted to the bench. 3-6-7 PENALTY.

[marvin]

Remember, the ball must be made live before the unreported substitute is in the game. So in the case of before a pitch has been made if the ball has not been made live there is no warning. See Rule 3-3-d and 3-3-e.

Once the unreported sub has met the criteria for being in the game (3-3-a through d) and the ball has been made live then the penalty stated by Dakota is correct.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by pbush

What is the penalty for an unreported sub hitter, caught before first a pitch, after a pitch or after reaching base safely?

I know this may be redundant. I have searched all threads, read the rule book and am still unclear (or just to thick). Thanks

In all cases (presuming th at it is a LEGAL sub, just unreported....

1st time :Team warning
next time: Offender and Coach restricted (or in FL Ejected)

Not sure how you missed it in the rule book:

ART. 2 . . . Unreported Substitute. An unreported substitute is a substitute who has a legal right to participate in the game but has not reported to the umpire prior to her participation (3-6-7). All substitutions must be reported to the umpire.
NOTE: A courtesy runner is not a substitute, but must be reported to the umpire. (8-9-7)

3-6-7: ART. 7 . . . Players and substitutes shall not enter the contest unreported

PENALTY: (Arts. 2 through 10) The umpire shall issue a team warning to the
coach of the team involved and the next offender on that team shall be restricted to the dugout/bench for the remainder of the game.
(snip)(Art. 7) The head coach is also restricted
to the dugout/bench for the remainder of the game.

[pbush]

Happened twice in the game. First time the legal unreported sub had 1 pitch thrown, she was simply reported and moved on. Second time was after she reached base safely. Blue called her out, sent runners back.

In the second instance it was the Flex hitting for the DP.

So it's not that I missed it (I gave up I might be too thick to understand), but the umps call had me questioning my understanding of what I read.

By the way it wasn't my team.

[marvin]

Are you sure the Flex batted for the DP? If she mistakenly batted for any other spot in the batting order then it is an illegal sub (3-3-6-g).

[pbush]

I'm sure

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by pbush

Happened twice in the game. First time the legal unreported sub had 1 pitch thrown, she was simply reported and moved on.

That would be the correct thing to do, so long as a warning was given to the coach. Unless you were the coach, you probably would not know that a warning had been given. There is no drama involved.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

There is no drama involved.

Aaahhhhh........wouldn't that depend on the coach?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Dakota

That would be the correct thing to do, so long as a warning was given to the coach. Unless you were the coach, you probably would not know that a warning had been given. There is no drama involved.

How about no drama needed?

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Aaahhhhh........wouldn't that depend on the coach?

And the umpire (I've seen a few......)

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Dakota

....There is no drama involved.

The only time I had an unreported sub this year was in an NFHS JV game.

A visiting team player came to bat and got a hit and the home team scorekeeper started making all kinds of ruckus about how that batter was not in the game...hey blue...she should be out..etc, etc...Of course, I just ignored her.

The home team coach then called for time out and asked me about it. I pulled out my lineup card and sure enough, the sub had not been reported. I informed the home team coach what the procedure was, a warning to the visiting team coach, next occurrance would be a restriction to the bench. Home coach says, "OK, thanks"

I go the the visiting coach in the third base coaches box, before I even get there, he says. "Yep, I know..I forgot to report her in the game." I tell the coach that we are entering her in the game and this is a warning..."OK, blue...my fault, sorry about that."

I turn to both dugouts and announce the substitution. Home team scorekeeper goes nuts!

"What...that's it!?!? That's an out, she should be out! C'mon Blue...why isn't she out?" I, of course, ignored her and resumed the game.

After the completion of the half inning, against my better judgement, I walked over to the fence and tried to explain the proper ruling for NFHS to the scorekeeper. She looks at me skeptically the whole time and says "I want to see that in writing" So I tell her that it is written down in the rulebook.

No good deed.....

[CajunNewBlue]

Originally Posted by Andy

The only time I had an unreported sub this year was in an NFHS JV game.

A visiting team player came to bat and got a hit and the home team scorekeeper started making all kinds of ruckus about how that batter was not in the game...hey blue...she should be out..etc, etc...Of course, I just ignored her.

The home team coach then called for time out and asked me about it. I pulled out my lineup card and sure enough, the sub had not been reported. I informed the home team coach what the procedure was, a warning to the visiting team coach, next occurrance would be a restriction to the bench. Home coach says, "OK, thanks"

I go the the visiting coach in the third base coaches box, before I even get there, he says. "Yep, I know..I forgot to report her in the game." I tell the coach that we are entering her in the game and this is a warning..."OK, blue...my fault, sorry about that."

I turn to both dugouts and announce the substitution. Home team scorekeeper goes nuts!

"What...that's it!?!? That's an out, she should be out! C'mon Blue...why isn't she out?" I, of course, ignored her and resumed the game.

After the completion of the half inning, against my better judgement, I walked over to the fence and tried to explain the proper ruling for NFHS to the scorekeeper. She looks at me skeptically the whole time and says "I want to see that in writing" So I tell her that it is written down in the rulebook.

No good deed.....

Ignoring a member of the home team's crew is a bad idea (imho).... nip that in the bud and soon.
"Coach, please get your score keeper under control...Thanks"
If they persist. ohhh well.

Originally Posted by Andy

The only time I had an unreported sub this year was in an NFHS JV game.

A visiting team player came to bat and got a hit and the home team scorekeeper started making all kinds of ruckus about how that batter was not in the game...hey blue...she should be out..etc, etc...Of course, I just ignored her.

The home team coach then called for time out and asked me about it. I pulled out my lineup card and sure enough, the sub had not been reported. I informed the home team coach what the procedure was, a warning to the visiting team coach, next occurrance would be a restriction to the bench. Home coach says, "OK, thanks"

I go the the visiting coach in the third base coaches box, before I even get there, he says. "Yep, I know..I forgot to report her in the game." I tell the coach that we are entering her in the game and this is a warning..."OK, blue...my fault, sorry about that."

I turn to both dugouts and announce the substitution. Home team scorekeeper goes nuts!

"What...that's it!?!? That's an out, she should be out! C'mon Blue...why isn't she out?" I, of course, ignored her and resumed the game.

After the completion of the half inning, against my better judgement, I walked over to the fence and tried to explain the proper ruling for NFHS to the scorekeeper. She looks at me skeptically the whole time and says "I want to see that in writing" So I tell her that it is written down in the rulebook.

No good deed.....

BTW, isn't the home scorekeeper the official book? If it was, you shouldn't have let her rant like that. Tell her to knock it off or get her replaced.