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Old Fri May 08, 2009, 08:54pm
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Are non-prescription sunglasses legal for a Fed Fast Pitch pitcher ?

They didn't seem right, but I allowed them, cuz I didn't know the rule.



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Old Fri May 08, 2009, 09:44pm
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No Reflective Lenses
Otherwise okay
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Old Fri May 08, 2009, 10:59pm
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No Reflective Lenses
Otherwise okay
Which I've never understood. They are sunglasses, big deal.

IMO, this is the result of rules and interpretations based upon coaches whining for an excuse.
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Old Sat May 09, 2009, 07:44am
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Are non-prescription sunglasses legal for a Fed Fast Pitch pitcher ?

They didn't seem right, but I allowed them, cuz I didn't know the rule.



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What doesn't seem right about it?
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Old Sat May 09, 2009, 08:07am
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Are non-prescription sunglasses legal for a Fed Fast Pitch pitcher ?

They didn't seem right, but I allowed them, cuz I didn't know the rule.



Thanks.
Unless I have missed something (which happens every now and then), FED has no ruling about reflective or non reflective sunglasses. They can not have reflective buttons on their costume, they can not have tinted (thus no reflective) shields on the helmet, but sunglasses would only fall under 3-2-14 and that is umpire judgement on safety.

3-2-8 applies to the uniform,
3-2-9 applies to the hand, wrist, arm and thighs,

but nothing about sunglasses specifically.

I have worked with partners who just won't allow them (reflective) and those are the same ones who won't allow a player to "store" any sunglasses on top of the head, or bill of the cap.

I don't have a problem with them.
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Old Sat May 09, 2009, 09:13am
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Old Sat May 09, 2009, 09:15am
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Old Sat May 09, 2009, 09:33am
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No Reflective Lenses
Does that mean it's okay to wear reflective lenses if they are prescription sunglasses?
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Old Sat May 09, 2009, 09:46am
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Coach: Blue, you need to get those glasses off that pitcher.
Umpire: Why is that, Coach?
Coach: They are mirrored lenses.
Umpire: Good eyes, Coach, so they are.
Coach: Well, the pitcher cannot wear them.
Umpire: Again, Coach, why is that?
Coach: Because they are distracting my batters!
Umpire: Really? Well, Coach, there is the answer to why your team hasn't scored any runs yet. The batters are looking in the wrong place for the pitch!
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They are allowed. Anyone enforcing anything differently is inventing their own rule and conducting a fashion police action - not officiating an NFHS regulated softball game.

And that goes for any local rules interpreters that instruct their umpires to be a fashion police man. It never ceases to amaze me at how many umpires want to invent MORE for them to do. Personally, I know I'm busy enough with my real job on the field.

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Old Sat May 09, 2009, 09:58am
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There is one, and only one rule that might apply. If, in the umpires' sole judgment, they are distracting, then the umpire may require the pitcher to remove them.

It isn't automatic, it isn't black and white, and the opinion of the opposing coach matters no more than his opinion of your strike zone.
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Old Sat May 09, 2009, 10:20am
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There is one, and only one rule that might apply. If, in the umpires' sole judgment, they are distracting, then the umpire may require the pitcher to remove them.

It isn't automatic, it isn't black and white, and the opinion of the opposing coach matters no more than his opinion of your strike zone.
And you know as well as I that it only takes one "umpire" to buy into the coach's opinion and every other umpire in the game is going to be a target for this coach who just doesn't understand.

Follow up: I wonder where an umpire gets the idea, other than from a whiney coach, that this is actually an issue upon which they should rule?

The "reflection" argument is lame as you can get the same glare off of any pair of glasses if hit by the sun at the right angle.

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Old Sat May 09, 2009, 10:27am
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Coach: Blue, you need to get those glasses off that pitcher.
Umpire: Why is that, Coach?
Coach: They are mirrored lenses.
Umpire: Good eyes, Coach, so they are.
Coach: Well, the pitcher cannot wear them.
Umpire: Again, Coach, why is that?
Coach: Because they are distracting my batters!
Umpire: Really? Well, Coach, there is the answer to why your team hasn't scored any runs yet. The batters are looking in the wrong place for the pitch!
And the crowd roared in approval of Blue's wonderful comeback line! (We can only wish!)
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Old Sat May 09, 2009, 12:51pm
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What doesn't seem right about it?
Hugo,
Nobody wore them today as snow flurries came across Lake Superior.

Without looking it up [in baseball and track], I seem to remember (or not ) that MLB pitchers cannot wear them, and that Fed track athletes cannot wear them.
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Old Sat May 09, 2009, 12:59pm
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Hugo,
Nobody wore them today as snow flurries came across Lake Superior.

Without looking it up [in baseball and track], I seem to remember (or not ) that MLB pitchers cannot wear them, and that Fed track athletes cannot wear them.

SNOW????? May ??????
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