Silly NCAA runner assistance rule...

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by ronald

Here is another story about it and an explanation of the ruling. Since it was a walk-off homerun, the umpires decided that an out was called for. Must have used the God rule. I assume it exists in NCAA. Now I will have to go look for it.

Postbulletin.com: Rochester, MN

Pffft... that's the home town paper of the hero coach.

[Dakota]

From the other end of the state (you may need to register to read the article):

Brainerd Dispatch

[bkbjones]

If she had slid they couldn't do high fives...

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Dakota

From the other end of the state (you may need to register to read the article):

Brainerd Dispatch

Won't let me read without registering. Want to post the gist of it?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Won't let me read without registering. ...

Hint: Bug Me Not

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Want to post the gist of it?

Brief quote from the article:

At that point Rochester coach Jean Musgjerd protested, saying teammates can't make contact with a player who has hit a home run until that player has crossed home plate and she claimed Erickson should be out.

In the Rochester paper, she denies that. Phooey. She successfully bamboozled the umpires. Shame on the umpires, for sure, but double shame on the RAT.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by Dakota

(snip) Shame on the umpires, for sure, but double shame on the RAT.

FWIW
I don't know about the "double shame" on the RAT.
I don't really care about her and one may argue that she was just doing what RATs do... anything they can to win.

I'd still vote for double shame on the Umpires.
I may be mistaken, but I think at this level I'm supposed to know those rules or at least between my partners and myself, be able to get it correct....

BTW
This has not occurred in any of my games, but I would look at it as one warning per/event as opposed to one warning per person who touched the BR.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

FWIW
I don't know about the "double shame" on the RAT.
I don't really care about her and one may argue that she was just doing what RATs do... anything they can to win.

I'd still vote for double shame on the Umpires.
I may be mistaken, but I think at this level I'm supposed to know those rules or at least between my partners and myself, be able to get it correct....

BTW
This has not occurred in any of my games, but I would look at it as one warning per/event as opposed to one warning per person who touched the BR.

Maybe I'm completely clueless as to how junior college works, but I somehow doubt that's where they send their best umpires. Seems like a likely spot for a "proving ground" if I ever heard of one.

I'm not saying that as an excuse. Just saying I'm not surprised that if it were to happen anywhere, it'd happen there.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Maybe I'm completely clueless as to how junior college works, but I somehow doubt that's where they send their best umpires. Seems like a likely spot for a "proving ground" if I ever heard of one.

I'm not saying that as an excuse. Just saying I'm not surprised that if it were to happen anywhere, it'd happen there.

I don't know, either, but if Div 1 is the NCAA equivalent of HS Varsity, then JUCO is maybe like the 9th grade team?

Or, 18U Gold vs. 14U rec?

I dunno.... maybe I'm being unfair to JUCO teams.

The reason for the double shame for the coach is due to the classlessness of the whole thing. The umpires were ignorant of the rule, or else decided two players were a warning + an out, whatever. The coach was knowingly classless.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Maybe I'm completely clueless as to how junior college works, but I somehow doubt that's where they send their best umpires. Seems like a likely spot for a "proving ground" if I ever heard of one.

Okay, I know this will tick off somebody, but here goes.

If someone is using NJCAA as a "proving ground", there is a problem. OTOH, you also need to remember that though these umpires are often very good umpires, it doesn't make them the "best" of all umpires. It makes them the best available umpires.

Not everyone can dedicate the time needed to get to the highest level, but doesn't make them any less an umpire than those working the NCAA Championships.

I have an umpire in my area that has been offered more than a dozen ASA nationals, FP & SP, but due to his job and family commitments he has not been able to accept any. However, if I got a call from KR telling me he needed an umpire for 18U Gold championship, I wouldn't have any problem recommending him.