Ball kicked over outfield fence

[JefferMC]

Ball hit to outfield fence, bounces off coming back into field. Hits player's foot and goes over wall, that would be (FP) Home Run (SP) Four Base Award.

Now... what if it bounces off the ground, and THEN is kicked by the player.

Looking at ASA 8.5...

I. When a fair ball bounces over, rolls under or through a fence or any designated
boundary of the playing field. When the ball deflects off a defensive player and
goes out of play in foul ball territory, deflects off a runner or umpire and goes
out of play into foul ball territory, after having passed an infielder excluding the
pitcher and provided no other infielder had a chance to make an out.
EFFECT: The ball is dead, and all runners are awarded two bases from the
time of the pitch.
J. When a live ball is unintentionally carried by a fielder from live ball territory. A
fielder carrying a live ball into the team area to tag a player is considered to
have unintentionally carried it there.
EFFECT: The ball is dead and runners are awarded one base from the last
base touched at the time the fielder left live ball territory.
K. When in the judgment of the umpire, a fielder intentionally carries, kicks, pushes
or throws a live ball from live ball territory.
EFFECT: The ball is dead. All runners are awarded two bases from the last
base touched at the time the fielder left or the ball was kicked, pushed or thrown
from the live ball territory.

8.5.I says kicked out of foul territory... so can't use that.
8.5.J says "carry", which didn't happen.
8.5.K says "intentionally," and let's assume it was accidental.

So... is there a case play that addresses this?

Would NFHS be different?

[Skahtboi]

I now know why there are so many exacting rules in sports/games!!!

Personally, I would still go with the two base award, whether intentionally or accidentally kicked.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by JefferMC

Ball hit to outfield fence, bounces off coming back into field. Hits player's foot and goes over wall, that would be (FP) Home Run (SP) Four Base Award.

Now... what if it bounces off the ground, and THEN is kicked by the player.

Looking at ASA 8.5...


8.5.I says kicked out of foul territory... so can't use that.
8.5.J says "carry", which didn't happen.
8.5.K says "intentionally," and let's assume it was accidental.

So... is there a case play that addresses this?

Would NFHS be different?

8.5.I is the rule I attempted to have changed last year to include a deflected fair ball, but those in the umpire's committee thought we are all real stupid and picked it apart. Because my change included a ball that "lands" in fair territory, they rejected the change and everyone followed suit. Their reason: When it says "lands", it could be misconstrued that it landed on top of a player's head!

I guess they do read some of the TWP we get!!!

The appropriate ruling is a GRD, two bases from the TOP. If deemed intentional, it is two from LBT at the time the ball was kicked.

BTW, you are incorrect on a ball in flight. if the ball hits the wall, then the fielder in the field of play and over the fence in fair territory, it is a GRD.

[Dakota]

The answer would depend on whether you were in Yankee Stadium and which way the call would most benefit the Yankees....

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by JefferMC

Ball hit to outfield fence, bounces off coming back into field. Hits player's foot and goes over wall, that would be (FP) Home Run (SP) Four Base Award.

Would NFHS be different?

For ASA, rule change this year. As you describe, this is a two-base award.

Rule 8 Section 5 I: When a fair batted ball deflects off a fence then off the fielder before going over the home run fence. Effect: The ball is dead. All runners and or batter-runner are awarded two bases from the time of the pitch.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

For ASA, rule change this year. As you describe, this is a two-base award.

Rule 8 Section 5 I: When a fair batted ball deflects off a fence then off the fielder before going over the home run fence. Effect: The ball is dead. All runners and or batter-runner are awarded two bases from the time of the pitch.

Never really understood the need for this change. You can stand on a fence, you cannot catch the ball off the fence for an out, why would anyone think a ball that hits the fence is still a ball in flight?

[JefferMC]

Thanks for clearing me up (including my error).