Batter awarded 1st base?

[greymule]

You sure want to stick with the part I highlighted above? I believe it would be a strike

I'm going to go back to bed and get up again.

[Chess Ref]

I'm going to go back to bed and get up again

LOL.

Amen mule man. Had my one of those days last week. I was one off all day.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

You sure want to stick with the part I highlighted above? I believe it would be a strike

I think it is the culture shock from Yankee to Damn Yankee

[greymule]

I think it is the culture shock from Yankee to Damn Yankee

You mean just because I told a couple of good ol' boys that the insensitive display of the stars & bars on their pickup truck would never do in Greenwich or Scarsdale?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by greymule

I think it is the culture shock from Yankee to Damn Yankee

You mean just because I told a couple of good ol' boys that the insensitive display of the stars & bars on their pickup truck would never do in Greenwich or Scarsdale?

Like anyone in Greenwich or Scarsdale would even know what the Stars & Bars is!

[marvin]

In high school when the batter hits a foul ball the rule simply does not apply. The last action in the game was not a pitch, it was a batted ball. The NFHS rule states after each pitch. If the foul ball is a continuation of the pitch (the rule still applies) and you apply that strictly then a foul ball retrieved by any other player would have to be returned to the catcher to be returned to the pitcher.

Can't you hear the coach, "I don't care if the right fielder retrieved that foul ball - the rule book says that after each pitch the CATCHER shall return the ball to the pitcher."

Real simple answer, "Coach the fielder was not returning a pitched ball to the pitcher, she was returning a batted ball." This is the same answer I would give in the situation where the catcher dives for a foul ball and then tosses it to another player.

NFHS rule 2-2-2 defines a batted ball, I am saying it is no longer a pitch once it becomes a batted ball.

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by marvin

In high school when the batter hits a foul ball the rule simply does not apply. The last action in the game was not a pitch, it was a batted ball. The NFHS rule states after each pitch. If the foul ball is a continuation of the pitch (the rule still applies) and you apply that strictly then a foul ball retrieved by any other player would have to be returned to the catcher to be returned to the pitcher.

Can't you hear the coach, "I don't care if the right fielder retrieved that foul ball - the rule book says that after each pitch the CATCHER shall return the ball to the pitcher."

Real simple answer, "Coach the fielder was not returning a pitched ball to the pitcher, she was returning a batted ball." This is the same answer I would give in the situation where the catcher dives for a foul ball and then tosses it to another player.

NFHS rule 2-2-2 defines a batted ball, I am saying it is no longer a pitch once it becomes a batted ball.

Marvin gets it!!!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by marvin

In high school when the batter hits a foul ball the rule simply does not apply. The last action in the game was not a pitch, it was a batted ball. The NFHS rule states after each pitch. If the foul ball is a continuation of the pitch (the rule still applies) and you apply that strictly then a foul ball retrieved by any other player would have to be returned to the catcher to be returned to the pitcher.

Can't you hear the coach, "I don't care if the right fielder retrieved that foul ball - the rule book says that after each pitch the CATCHER shall return the ball to the pitcher."

Real simple answer, "Coach the fielder was not returning a pitched ball to the pitcher, she was returning a batted ball." This is the same answer I would give in the situation where the catcher dives for a foul ball and then tosses it to another player.

NFHS rule 2-2-2 defines a batted ball, I am saying it is no longer a pitch once it becomes a batted ball.

Time to have fun. If the catcher retrieves the ball that was fouled off, isn't that after the pitch?

What about a wild pitch the catcher chases down the fence along the 1B side of the infield and flips to F3 who was also chasing the ball because she is between the catcher and pitcher? Is that a pitched ball after a pitch?

Obviously, I'm just jerking this around. This rule was meant to keep the game moving and unless there is some obvious delay, I'm not awarding the batter anything on these types of events.

[marvin]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Time to have fun. If the catcher retrieves the ball that was fouled off, isn't that after the pitch?

No - it is after a batted ball. To me, the rule clearly does not apply and this is exactly the situation my first post addressed.

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

What about a wild pitch the catcher chases down the fence along the 1B side of the infield and flips to F3 who was also chasing the ball because she is between the catcher and pitcher? Is that a pitched ball after a pitch?

My interpretation is that retrieving this ball is a legal play thus ending the 'pitch'. I would tell a coach that both the catcher and first baseman were making a play on the ball and the pitch had ended with this play. I believe this in in line with the intent of the rule. What would happen if another player besides the catcher retrieves the ball in this situation? Does it have to be returned to the catcher so she can return it to the pitcher? That is the logical result if you consider the ball is still a 'pitch'.

BTW - I am talking NFHS here.

[Tru_in_Blu]

NFHS case book 6.3.2 Situation C: The bases are empty and the batter has a count of no balls and one strike. On the next pitch, the batter hits a foul ball which the catcher retrieves and throws to third base. RULING: A ball is awarded to the batter and the count becomes one ball and two strikes.

Ted

[marvin]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

NFHS case book 6.3.2 Situation C: The bases are empty and the batter has a count of no balls and one strike. On the next pitch, the batter hits a foul ball which the catcher retrieves and throws to third base. RULING: A ball is awarded to the batter and the count becomes one ball and two strikes.

Ted

Well I guess if that ball is retrieved by the third baseman she has to give it to the catcher to return to the pitcher and the coach in my earlier post is correct. I would say that "throwing the ball to third base" is not the same as tossing the ball to another player in foul territory.

[tcblue13]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Like anyone in Greenwich or Scarsdale would even know what the Stars & Bars is!

NOT the Stars and Bars



THE Stars and Bars

[wadeintothem]

Hmm.. that 2nd one wouldnt look quite as good on some idiots 1978 Ford F150 bumper. No wonder it quite never caught on.

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Hmm.. that 2nd one wouldnt look quite as good on some idiots 1978 Ford F150 bumper. No wonder it quite never caught on.

Yeah, it doesn't quite go with the gun rack in the back of the cab or some of the other items of note.

[greymule]

Thanks, tcblue13. This has been an edifying day.

The flag on the pickup trucks is actually the "Battle Flag of the Confederacy."

I'll be sure to correct the backwoods boys on that point, too.

My cousin, who lives nearby, is a dedicated participant in annual re-creations of battles of the Civil . . . er, the War Between the States. He always skips the surrender, though.