which base awarded on this obstruction?

[shipwreck]

During a run down between second and third, the runner was obstructed by the shortstop (who at that time was out of the play). We signalled and verbally stated that it was obstuction. The fielders and runners went back and forth a few times, and the runner finally tried to make it to third but was tagged out. Here is my question. What criteria do you use to know where to place the runner? In this case she was obstructed halfway between second and third, and was going in the direction of second when she was obstructed. Do you put her there for that reason or since she tried to go to third but was tagged out do you put her there? I know the rule says you place her on the base she would have reached had there been no obstrution, but in this case how do you tell? Dave

[Steve M]

Dave,
Every rundown is different in that you'll know where to place the obstructed runner when you see the play. But, chances are good that the runner will not make the "next" base in most of them - especially if the defense plays it right. In your play, I'd most likely have the runner back on second. Another item to watch for in rundowns is that often you'll see a runner try to make contact with a fielder who is not part of the play at that time and hope to get an obstruction call.

Steve M

[blue]

Without being there and actually seeing the play, I would tend to award the base that she was running towards in a rundown situation. At the time of obstruction, if she was going towards 2nd, I would award 2nd. If I actually saw the play, I may change my mind.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by blue
Without being there and actually seeing the play, I would tend to award the base that she was running towards in a rundown situation. At the time of obstruction, if she was going towards 2nd, I would award 2nd. If I actually saw the play, I may change my mind.

Cannot answer the question without the information Blue notes above. The rule states that they cannot be put out between the bases where the runner was obstructed.

However, the award should be the base the runner would have reached had the obstruction not occur. So, if the runner was obstructed going back to 2B, there really isn't any indication the runner would have been safe at any other base than 2B had the obstruction not occurred.

[shipwreck]

Here lies another problem. Many times in a rundown (more than 50% of the time, the runner will be put out.) So how can you give her a base she would have made had there been no obstruction? Dave

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by shipwreck
Here lies another problem. Many times in a rundown (more than 50% of the time, the runner will be put out.) So how can you give her a base she would have made had there been no obstruction? Dave

As an umpire, I only determine the base to which the runner is sent. The defense is the culprit which causes the runner to be safe, not the umpire.

[Elaine "Lady Blue"]

HTBT, but from what you described, I'd place her at 2nd.