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That aside, do you really believe the teams and coaches see this as anything beyond the base umpire having the plate umpire make the call? Do they see this "last piece of information", or completely giving up the call? Let's ask SRW what happened in this specific case, when the coach decided to converse. I am willing to bet he focused on the PU, whom he saw as missing the call, not the BU whose call it was.
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Although there are many times when going to your partner for help after making a call is appropriate, I believe that anytime a coach can get an umpire to go for help and reverse a call, even if it is valid, sends a message that the coach (of either team) can now go ask the umpire to get help on any call that s/he doesn't like. Coaches generally don't differentiate judgement calls from calls where an umpire may have not seen a piece of the play that his partner was able to. Again, I'm not saying that going for help prior to making the call is the way it should be done in every instance, but it is a tool that the umpire can use when appropriate.
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Here's the problem, Andy.
That BU did give up the call by not making one. He shouted across the field that he did not see a tag. That means the PU who may not be in a position to help, must make the call or, by default, the runner is safe. God help.....no, even God isn't going to be able to help an umpire who openly asks for help, doesn't get any and calls the runner out. Sort of like pointing to a players glove, "show me the ball", the player opens the glove and shows it and then the umpire calling the runner safe! ![]() My tenet has become "make the call what your eyes thought they saw." Apparently, the BU saw something to make him think there was a tag and then doubted his eyes. Unless completely taken out of the play, I will always make the call. I do not care what a coach/player/fan thinks, if there is a possibility that I missed something, I'll go for help if requested. If you have coaches who believe that is a license to make such a request on any play and you allow it to happen, that's the umpire's fault. If there is no doubt you were in the best position and saw all the elements, just say no. And, more often than not, I've had a coach/player thank the crew for getting together even if they didn't get the call being sought. |
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You want the rest of the conversation? Sure. I've had coffee today, so I'm allowed to post.
![]() DC asked for time, I gave it. He came straight to me. He was cordial and calm the whole time. He: You didn't see F3 tag the BR? Me: No sir. Your F2 blocked me. He: What DID you see? Me: I saw F3 pulled to her left, she caught the ball, then all I saw was the backside of F2. He: Oh. So is it still his call to make? (pointing to my partner) Me: Yes sir. He asked me for some information and I gave him what I could. I can't call what I can't see. He: Can I talk to him about his call? Me: Please do, coach. DC then went to my partner to talk. DC asked if he saw F3 come off the base. BU said yeah, but he couldn't tell if the tag got the BR, so he asked if I saw it. BU told DC that neither of us saw a tag, so the BR is safe at 1B. DC walked back to his dugout and didn't say anything more.
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