The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Softball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rating: Thread Rating: 5 votes, 3.20 average. Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old Tue Feb 24, 2009, 07:17pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Crete, Nebraska
Posts: 734
Send a message via ICQ to shipwreck
NFHS Officials Quarterly mistake on Obstruction

Did anyone read the softball article on page 30 of the Spring 2009 magazine? Look at the part of the article that talks about obstruction. It talks about the two situations that must occur to meet the definition of obstruction. #1 second part says "The defensive player does not have possession of, nor is in the defined process of, receiving the ball for a play on the runner" What is a college rule doing in a NFHS magazine? Dave
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old Tue Feb 24, 2009, 09:44pm
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Toledo, Ohio, U.S.A.
Posts: 8,047
Quote:
Originally Posted by shipwreck View Post
What is a college rule doing in a NFHS magazine? Dave

ShipWreck:

Answer: The author of the article has been an NCAA Fastpitch Softball umpire for the last twenty (20) years.

MTD, Sr.
__________________
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Trumbull Co. (Warren, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Wood Co. (Bowling Green, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Ohio Assn. of Basketball Officials
International Assn. of Approved Bkb. Officials
Ohio High School Athletic Association
Toledo, Ohio
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 25, 2009, 12:43am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Posts: 1,640
Yep, my issue came yesterday and that jumped out at me when I read it!

There's an interesting tip in the baseball article, too. The author recommends NEVER going to an umpire in the "A" position for a check swing appeal on a left-handed batter, unless (quote) your vision is blocked because the catcher stood up...and everyone in the stadium is yelling that the batter swung (unquote).
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 25, 2009, 08:42am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: LA
Posts: 642
Quote:
Originally Posted by BretMan View Post
Yep, my issue came yesterday and that jumped out at me when I read it!

There's an interesting tip in the baseball article, too. The author recommends NEVER going to an umpire in the "A" position for a check swing appeal on a left-handed batter, unless (quote) your vision is blocked because the catcher stood up...and everyone in the stadium is yelling that the batter swung (unquote).
I wonder what else I should go for help on?.... if my vision is blocked and EVERYONE is yelling!.... sucks to be short
__________________
Will Rogers must not have ever officiated in Louisiana.
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 25, 2009, 09:23am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 440
My favorite part of getting this publication every year is looking at all of the mistakes in the articles and pictures.

Base umpires with watches on, during the pre-game, or still wearing their sunglasses. A few years back there was a picture with an umpire holding a player's helmet while a coach attends to her for an injury ( my presumption from the content of the picture.) It is amazing to me that a national organization like NFHS cannot afford to hire an editor.
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 25, 2009, 10:58am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Crete, Nebraska
Posts: 734
Send a message via ICQ to shipwreck
MTD, Jr. It shouldn't matter even if she had been umpiring college ball for 40 years. Those of us who umpire using different rulesets are required to know what rulesets we are using and enforce the correct rulings. This happens on the field, where many times a decision needs to be rendered quickly. She had the advantage of being behind a computer when she wrote this. It should have dawned on her that it was incorrect. Dave
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 25, 2009, 12:29pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Twin Cities MN
Posts: 8,154
Quote:
Originally Posted by shipwreck View Post
MTD, Jr. It shouldn't matter even if she had been umpiring college ball for 40 years. Those of us who umpire using different rulesets are required to know what rulesets we are using and enforce the correct rulings. This happens on the field, where many times a decision needs to be rendered quickly. She had the advantage of being behind a computer when she wrote this. It should have dawned on her that it was incorrect. Dave
I agree with this. If the author is writing an article for NFHS officials, it should be using NFHS interpretations and rules. If the NFHS merely copied an article the author wrote for another publication, then the NFHS quarterly editors are at fault. In general, I've never been impressed with the rules-based articles in the NFHS (née Referee) magazines.
__________________
Tom
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 25, 2009, 02:19pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: The Land Of The Free and The Home Of The Brave (MD/DE)
Posts: 6,425
Quote:
Originally Posted by outathm View Post
It is amazing to me that a national organization like NFHS cannot afford to hire an editor.
Might even double as rule book editor.
__________________
Officiating takes more than OJT.
It's not our jobs to invent rulings to fit our personal idea of what should and should not be.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 25, 2009, 02:43pm
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Toledo, Ohio, U.S.A.
Posts: 8,047
Quote:
Originally Posted by shipwreck View Post
MTD, Jr. It shouldn't matter even if she had been umpiring college ball for 40 years. Those of us who umpire using different rulesets are required to know what rulesets we are using and enforce the correct rulings. This happens on the field, where many times a decision needs to be rendered quickly. She had the advantage of being behind a computer when she wrote this. It should have dawned on her that it was incorrect. Dave

My post was one of scarasm.

I agree with you 100%. I officiate boys'/girls' H.S. basketball (NFHS Rules), men's college basketball (NCAA Men's Rules), and women's college basketball (NCAA Women's Rules), as well as having been an USA Basketball Referee (FIBA Rules) and have been a basketball rules interpreter. I also umpire girls' H.S. fastpitch softball (NFHS Rules) as well as fastpitch softball using ASA and USSSA rules.

It was just poor writing on her part and poor editing by the NFHS.

MTD, Sr.
__________________
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Trumbull Co. (Warren, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Wood Co. (Bowling Green, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Ohio Assn. of Basketball Officials
International Assn. of Approved Bkb. Officials
Ohio High School Athletic Association
Toledo, Ohio
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 25, 2009, 04:31pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Crete, Nebraska
Posts: 734
Send a message via ICQ to shipwreck
Mark, I knew it was sarcasm. It just drives me crazy seeing things like this. Dave
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 25, 2009, 04:37pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: The Land Of The Free and The Home Of The Brave (MD/DE)
Posts: 6,425
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. View Post
I officiate boys'/girls' H.S. basketball (NFHS Rules), men's college basketball (NCAA Men's Rules), and women's college basketball (NCAA Women's Rules), as well as having been an USA Basketball Referee (FIBA Rules) and have been a basketball rules interpreter. I also umpire girls' H.S. fastpitch softball (NFHS Rules) as well as fastpitch softball using ASA and USSSA rules.
MTD, Sr.
Is that why your nickname is LindaBlair?
__________________
Officiating takes more than OJT.
It's not our jobs to invent rulings to fit our personal idea of what should and should not be.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old Wed Feb 25, 2009, 05:47pm
Administrator
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Toledo, Ohio, U.S.A.
Posts: 8,047
Quote:
Originally Posted by CecilOne View Post
Is that why your nickname is LindaBlair?

Linda Blair, the actress from Excorcism? I can't twist my head around 360 degrees even though my sons think I can. But don't forget, I am a sports official, meaning I am blind in one eye and can't see out of the other one.

MTD, Sr.
__________________
Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Trumbull Co. (Warren, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Wood Co. (Bowling Green, Ohio) Bkb. Off. Assn.
Ohio Assn. of Basketball Officials
International Assn. of Approved Bkb. Officials
Ohio High School Athletic Association
Toledo, Ohio
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Officials' Quarterly my3sons Baseball 60 Mon Mar 06, 2006 01:04pm
NFHS mistake Nevadaref Basketball 6 Tue Dec 13, 2005 03:04pm
NFHS Quarterly - Situation 9 on page 20 kentref Football 3 Thu Aug 25, 2005 01:29pm
Officials Quarterly... w_sohl Basketball 9 Thu Nov 20, 2003 08:14pm
OFFICIALS' NFHS QUARTERLY FALL ISSUE barebuttbandit Volleyball 1 Sat Feb 23, 2002 12:53am


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:44pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1