Partner helps a little too much

[CajunNewBlue]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

CNB, then you either have the position nomenclature confused, or your partner was very much out of position.

A is 1st base foul territory; B is behind F4. C is behind F6 (sometimes also called C1 off left shoulder with runner on 2nd, C2 if off right shoulder with runner on 3rd), and only used with two umpires. D is 3rd base foul territory, only used with 3 umpires.

Were you meaning C1 or C2?

hrmmm looked thru the FED umpire manual.. I see zero reference to any positions called C1 or C2. anyone got a page number? but for clarity sake he was in c2 for a runner on 2nd.

[DaveASA/FED]

Well with a runner on 2nd he should have been in C1, off left shoulder toward 2nd base. With a runner on 3rd then you shade toward your runner on 3rd and are in C2 right shoulder of shortstop.

[CajunNewBlue]

Originally Posted by DaveASA/FED

Well with a runner on 2nd he should have been in C1, off left shoulder toward 2nd base. With a runner on 3rd then you shade toward your runner on 3rd and are in C2 right shoulder of shortstop.

yes, this i know (well around these here parts it good ole "c" )... thats why we talked about it post game. (could have done it on the line as suggested, but he was actually taking his position out in right field tween innings and i didnt want to upset him)
TTYL... its jamboree time.

[Tru_in_Blu]

I just flipped through the NFHS umpires manual. I didn't see any reference to positions C1 or C2. There was a passage describing the field umpire's position as "behind and to the shortstop's left" for runner on 2B only; and "behind and to the shortstop's right" for runner on 3B only.

I have more training tomorrow, so I'll pose the question then.

Ted

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

I just flipped through the NFHS umpires manual. I didn't see any reference to positions C1 or C2. There was a passage describing the field umpire's position as "behind and to the shortstop's left" for runner on 2B only; and "behind and to the shortstop's right" for runner on 3B only.

I have more training tomorrow, so I'll pose the question then.

Ted

I've not seen it written down in an official fashion. I think it's one of those terms that a lot of us use that most people know, but it's not "official."

In SP, we use the same thing for the BU going to B. B1 is off F4's left shoulder, B2 is off the right.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue

hrmmm looked thru the FED umpire manual.. I see zero reference to any positions called C1 or C2. anyone got a page number? but for clarity sake he was in c2 for a runner on 2nd.

Please note that I said "sometimes called", not that C1 and C2 are official designations. Many people have started to use that, rather than to have to clarify "in C behind the 'x' shoulder".

What we now know is that he wasn't in D, which (D) was the reason people questioned the original post. While he was slightly out of position, he wasn't as far out as originally stated.

[CajunNewBlue]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Please note that I said "sometimes called", not that C1 and C2 are official designations. Many people have started to use that, rather than to have to clarify "in C behind the 'x' shoulder".

What we now know is that he wasn't in D, which (D) was the reason people questioned the original post. While he was slightly out of position, he wasn't as far out as originally stated.

No worries.... I understood just fine, I was just pressing the semantics. and I appreciate all of y'all patience.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Please note that I said "sometimes called", not that C1 and C2 are official designations. Many people have started to use that, rather than to have to clarify "in C behind the 'x' shoulder".

What we now know is that he wasn't in D, which (D) was the reason people questioned the original post. While he was slightly out of position, he wasn't as far out as originally stated.

An old post of mine:

If we are going to discuss positioning, can we use some common nomenclature to reduce the reading time and misreading:
A = outside 1st base line
B = between 1st and 2nd (B1 or B2, left or right of F4)
C = between 2nd and 3rd (C1 or C2, left or right of F6)
D = outside 3rd base line
C3 = occasionally for inside 3rd base line, right of F6 and F7
(not usually accepted)

I agree with and in fact preach adjusting position to various situations, especially the number of outs, getting the best look at pickoffs, where the fielders are, etc. Not necessarily everything suggested in this topic, but certainly the concept, remembering that angle is more important than distance.
1) The pickoff at 1st requires a closer look than the steal at 2nd.
2) I can read the runner at 1st quickly enough to use my headstart getting a good angle at 2nd.
3) With 2 outs, closer to 1st, again determined by where F6 is.
4) With runner at 3rd, closer to basepath to get pickoff angle.
5) Always moving toward the play, partly for better look, partly for selling.

I don't remember what "everything suggested in this topic" means.

[CajunNewBlue]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

An old post of mine:

If we are going to discuss positioning, can we use some common nomenclature to reduce the reading time and misreading:
A = outside 1st base line
B = between 1st and 2nd (B1 or B2, left or right of F4)
C = between 2nd and 3rd (C1 or C2, left or right of F6)
D = outside 3rd base line
C3 = occasionally for inside 3rd base line, right of F6 and F7
(not usually accepted)

I agree with and in fact preach adjusting position to various situations, especially the number of outs, getting the best look at pickoffs, where the fielders are, etc. Not necessarily everything suggested in this topic, but certainly the concept, remembering that angle is more important than distance.
1) The pickoff at 1st requires a closer look than the steal at 2nd.
2) I can read the runner at 1st quickly enough to use my headstart getting a good angle at 2nd.
3) With 2 outs, closer to 1st, again determined by where F6 is.
4) With runner at 3rd, closer to basepath to get pickoff angle.
5) Always moving toward the play, partly for better look, partly for selling.

I don't remember what "everything suggested in this topic" means.

I agree.... lets do it y'alls way... its way more complicated.