2009 ASA Rule Changes Approved

[IRISHMAFIA]

BTW, the 1-1 count change excludes the Masters and Seniors game.

And the rule does not specify "Gorilla Gold", but references it as an example of an "approved drying agent".

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Yes, there is now an E level

Are these people who are playing that have no clue what a softball, bat, or running the bases is?

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

A conference will not be charged when the pitcher is removed

A bat must have an ASA Certification stamp on it.

Thats good. This is a mens ball issue IMO, and that will help them.

Metal spikes worn when prohibited will result in an ejection if the player refuses to remove them

thanks for nothing on that

20 second violation is now just a ball on the batter, not IP

Gorilla Gold now legal for FP

Thank you ASA. Very nice!

All FP and ADA players can use courtesy runner. ADA CR can be any player.

Men's FP catcher can use courtesy runner

Free CR's for all huh?

Whatever.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Free CR's for all huh?

Whatever.

No. Put back in rule context, the youth courtesy runner rule for pitcher and catcher (requires a legal sub, can only run for one position, run for position not player, etc) is now extended for all levels of Fast Pitch. If you do Men's, Women's or 23U, you know that is how they play most of the time, anyway, so now it is extended to Championship Play rules, not a local exception.

The ADA exception will apply to maybe 5 people in the country; but, it does. If an ADA certified individual (must have card, etc) bats and gets on base, and his disability affects running, they may have a courtesy runner similar to the Seniors, meaning any available player or sub. This isn't something worth getting worked up over; the odds of you needing to apply this in your lifetime are pretty limited.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

No. Put back in rule context, the youth courtesy runner rule for pitcher and catcher (requires a legal sub, can only run for one position, run for position not player, etc) is now extended for all levels of Fast Pitch. If you do Men's, Women's or 23U, you know that is how they play most of the time, anyway, so now it is extended to Championship Play rules, not a local exception.

The ADA exception will apply to maybe 5 people in the country; but, it does. If an ADA certified individual (must have card, etc) bats and gets on base, and his disability affects running, they may have a courtesy runner similar to the Seniors, meaning any available player or sub. This isn't something worth getting worked up over; the odds of you needing to apply this in your lifetime are pretty limited.

I'm not sure what you mean.

Can they CR for F5 in JO championship play next year?

[SRW]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

I'm not sure what you mean.

Can they CR for F5 in JO championship play next year?

That's what Irish implied with my post earlier... Steve is implying that the current rule is expanded to other levels of play (which, IMO makes sense). But if Mike's correct, CR's can be used for any player and any position by any legal player on the roster. Seems odd if Mike's right...

[ASA/NYSSOBLUE]

They're going to need a whole separate book next year - just to list and explain all the new rules!

Hooray for Optic Yellow!

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

I'm not sure what you mean.

Can they CR for F5 in JO championship play next year?

If F5 is a certified ADA player, yes. The ADA rule allowing a disabled player to play just offense or defense has been expanded to allow one playing offense to have a courtesy runner.

For the standard league or tournament game you will call, there has been no change in the JO courtesy runner rule. Only if a team presents a lineup with an ADA certified player do you need to change anything.

For all adult fastpitch, the same courtesy runners as JO. For Masters and Senior slowpitch, the same rule they have had.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

If F5 is a certified ADA player, yes. The ADA rule allowing a disabled player to play just offense or defense has been expanded to allow one playing offense to have a courtesy runner.

For the standard league or tournament game you will call, there has been no change in the JO courtesy runner rule. Only if a team presents a lineup with an ADA certified player do you need to change anything.

For all adult fastpitch, the same courtesy runners as JO. For Masters and Senior slowpitch, the same rule they have had.

OK thanks! Much better!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Free CR's for all huh?

Whatever.

No, it means the existing Courtesy Runner in use now applies to all FP, not just JO as present.

An ADA can use it regardless of position.

What I don't like is that as soon as this passed, so did the exclusion of the Men's FP pitcher from the rule.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

No, it means the existing Courtesy Runner in use now applies to all FP, not just JO as present.

An ADA can use it regardless of position.

What I don't like is that as soon as this passed, so did the exclusion of the Men's FP pitcher from the rule.

This sounds fine. I guess we gotta do whatever to cater to ADA, so thats a nonstarter, and the rule should be the same in all FP; thats they way they play anyway. ASA needs to make the mens FP exactly the way the men want them; then maybe ASA can regain some steam with the few who actually play mens FP.

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

This sounds fine. I guess we gotta do whatever to cater to ADA, so thats a nonstarter, and the rule should be the same in all FP; thats they way they play anyway. ASA needs to make the mens FP exactly the way the men want them; then maybe ASA can regain some steam with the few who actually play mens FP.

Wade,
I don't see that happening. ASA has not cared much for the men's game for years, and there are a couple of other organizations that do - they even cater to the men's game. ASA shot themselves in the foot the year that they required both feet on the rubber - for men. I know that it was to match the international rule, but it wasn't the game the players wanted. Even though that was only a 1-season/year foul-up, I think you'll find those other organizations made a big gain then.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Steve M

Wade,
I don't see that happening. ASA has not cared much for the men's game for years, and there are a couple of other organizations that do - they even cater to the men's game. ASA shot themselves in the foot the year that they required both feet on the rubber - for men. I know that it was to match the international rule, but it wasn't the game the players wanted. Even though that was only a 1-season/year foul-up, I think you'll find those other organizations made a big gain then.

They have lost about 80% of CA. Very few areas still have ASA mens FP.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

No, it means the existing Courtesy Runner in use now applies to all FP, not just JO as present.
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What I don't like is that as soon as this passed, so did the exclusion of the Men's FP pitcher from the rule.

OK, so the original "Men's FP catcher can use courtesy runner " is missing the word only, as in Men's FP catcher only can use courtesy runner
or
All FP levels have the CR rule like JO, except mens' pitchers.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

OK, so the original "Men's FP catcher can use courtesy runner " is missing the word only, as in Men's FP catcher only can use courtesy runner
or
All FP levels have the CR rule like JO, except mens' pitchers.

I think I would wait for the official interp before assuming that. In the Playing Rules Committee, the chairperson opined that if both passed at the same time, the more overriding rule would apply, not the more limiting rule.

I don't believe the intent of the body was to allow CR for pitcher and catcher for all, and then immediately limit that. Both were approved by Consent Agenda at the Council without discussion, as each were considered a good change.

It will interesting to see how the NUS decides to address the discrepancy.