Check swing

[topper]

The SUIP staff is having, or at least considering having, the PU going to whichever base umpire is on the line in the 3 man system on all check swings.

Any thoughts?

[JEL]

Originally Posted by topper

The NUIP staff is having, or at least considering having, the PU going to whichever base umpire is on the line in the 3 man system on all check swings.

Any thoughts?

Requested or not?

[socalumps]

Originally Posted by topper

The NUIP staff is having, or at least considering having, the PU going to whichever base umpire is on the line in the 3 man system on all check swings.

Any thoughts?

I'll go with the SUIP staff...and I think it makes sense!!

[topper]

Originally Posted by socalumps

I'll go with the SUIP staff...and I think it makes sense!!

Yeah, them too. Initialism corrected.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by topper

The NUIP staff is having, or at least considering having, the PU going to whichever base umpire is on the line in the 3 man system on all check swings.

Any thoughts?

So, with a RHP and a runner on 2B, they are going to U3 for a check swing?

[socalumps]

Check swings are only appealable to an umpire on the line.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by socalumps

Check swings are only appealable to an umpire on the line.

So the answer to my question was "yes"?

If so, my opinion is that it is just another change .....nevermind, wasting the keystrokes especially with the ivory tower crowd.

[topper]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

So the answer to my question was "yes"?

If so, my opinion is that it is just another change .....nevermind, wasting the keystrokes especially with the ivory tower crowd.

Put aside from where the change came, why it was made, and who it affects. Forget how long we've been doing it the other way. Considering the angles and depth perception each of the 2 positions (on the line or rotated / your favorite, counter-rotated) offer, which umpire can make the most informed decision?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by topper

Put aside from where the change came, why it was made, and who it affects. Forget how long we've been doing it the other way. Considering the angles and depth perception each of the 2 positions (on the line or rotated / your favorite, counter-rotated) offer, which umpire can make the most informed decision?

IMO, the umpire which has a more accessible view from the open side of the batter.

Unless the umpire is positoned up the middle (which I don't think is as necessary in FP as SP), U1 is going have a better view of the RHB and U3 of the LHB.

I agree that the B or C does not offer the best position, but they do offer a full view of the bat, arms and hips of the batter. The umpire on the line looking at the back of the batter will see more of the batter's backside than anything else. Think about the slapper that runs up, but checks low. U1 may be guessing, at best.

Other thoughts include a runner on first. U1 is now responsible for:

Illegal pitches
Runner maintaining contact with bag
Check swing

Meanwhile, U3 is responsible for:

?

I would really love to hear the SUIP's reasoning behind this change. Maybe there is something I'm not seeing here.

Much to the dismay of the ASA bashers, the source is irrelevant. I would have the same opinion no matter who put this out, NCAA, NFHS, ASA, NAFA, USSSA, NSA, USFA, TC, LL, BR, etc.


Edited for necessary spelling correction.

[bkbjones]

Originally Posted by topper

Put aside from where the change came, why it was made, and who it affects. Forget how long we've been doing it the other way. Considering the angles and depth perception each of the 2 positions (on the line or rotated / your favorite, counter-rotated) offer, which umpire can make the most informed decision?

Probly the mom sitting in the 18th row, seat eight, Section H, who has stretch marks around her mouth from airing out fellow blues for the last 10 years. Just ask her.

[whiskers_ump]

Originally Posted by topper

Put aside from where the change came, why it was made, and who it affects. Forget how long we've been doing it the other way. Considering the angles and depth perception each of the 2 positions (on the line or rotated / your favorite, counter-rotated) offer, which umpire can make the most informed decision?

Now you talking about me.

[CajunNewBlue]

Originally Posted by topper

The SUIP staff is having, or at least considering having, the PU going to whichever base umpire is on the line in the 3 man system on all check swings.

Any thoughts?

As of a few weeks ago this was the mandated mechanic.... only thing i question is, in the rotated position with a left handed batter they want you to goto U1 when IMHO U3 might have a better look at it. but i just do what they tell me.
if i dont ask the wrong BU!! (thats for whiskers_ump)

[wadeintothem]

mandating "going for help" is just a waste, especially at lower levels. Some times the batters barely twitch and they want to go for help. "Recommending" is better than mandating to leave open the door for umpire discretion depending on the situation.

[CajunNewBlue]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

mandating "going for help" is just a waste, especially at lower levels. Some times the batters barely twitch and they want to go for help. "Recommending" is better than mandating to leave open the door for umpire discretion depending on the situation.

going to the BU on the line i meant, was the "mandated" part... and I was only thinking about NCAA (not the lower levels)... I shouldn't have used that word... my bad.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue

... and I was only thinking about NCAA (not the lower levels)...

Uh oh. You might just have gone and stepped on a few toes!