Kind of a funny steal situation

[FullCount]

This thread reminded me of a similar issue that falls into the vicinity call category.

Situation: bases loaded, force at home on an easy infield grounder. Ball routinely fielded and thrown to F2 for force out at home. F2 is not standing on the plate; for her foot that is closest to home plate, the heel is about 2 inches forward of the plate. She makes the catch and immediately throws the ball to make another play. She never makes contact with the plate nor does she ever come any closer to it than she was when she made the catch. Do you call safe or out?

[SethPDX]

Safe. Whether it be one of my baseball or softball games.

[youngump]

I'd make an off the bag signal first. It'll help to sell it.
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[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by youngump

I'd make an off the bag signal first. It'll help to sell it.

A what?

Seriously, what is that?

[mick]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

A what?

Seriously, what is that?

Point at the bag and yell, "Off the bag!!!"
or
Hold your palms apart and to the side [e.g., on your left] and push them to your other side [e.g.,your right] . (Picture a defensive football player shedding a blocker to the side)

[youngump]

Originally Posted by mick

Point at the bag and yell, "Off the bag!!!"
or
Hold your palms apart and to the side [e.g., on your left] and push them to your other side [e.g.,your right] . (Picture a defensive football player shedding a blocker to the side)

Those are the signals. I'd think the first one fits better here. The second one is more for a pulled foot.
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[topper]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

A what?

Seriously, what is that?

Here's where you and I, I think, would agree, Irish. I am not likely to signal anything but safe. If a coach needs to know why I made the call I made, I have no problem explaining it to him/her afterward. If others wish to explain their call while making their call, that's okay too, but it's not part of my game.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by topper

Here's where you and I, I think, would agree, Irish. I am not likely to signal anything but safe. If a coach needs to know why I made the call I made, I have no problem explaining it to him/her afterward. If others wish to explain their call while making their call, that's okay too, but it's not part of my game.

That's the way I was taught and it seems nice enough. I don't know any reason not to. It's in the book that way too. Says make the explanation call first orit will look like you're making an excuse.
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[topper]

Originally Posted by youngump

That's the way I was taught and it seems nice enough. I don't know any reason not to. It's in the book that way too. Says make the explanation call first orit will look like you're making an excuse.

The fact is, the runner is safe. I think the idea that a coach is less likely to come out and question a call based on how the call is made in this instance is, in reality, a bit of a stretch. Like I stated, if you wish to make this a part of your game, that's great. I have not found it to be all that beneficial.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by youngump

That's the way I was taught and it seems nice enough. I don't know any reason not to. It's in the book that way too. Says make the explanation call first orit will look like you're making an excuse.

Which association?

[SRW]

Originally Posted by youngump

That's the way I was taught ...

Oh no it wasn't. Guaranteed Tim and I didn't teach that one.

Originally Posted by youngump

It's in the book that way too.

What page is that mechanic on?

[IRISHMAFIA]

I have absolutely no problem with the MECHANIC (not a signal) of pointing to the play, announcing what you saw and then making the appropriate call with corresponding signal.

However, if you are going to raise both arms and make a sweeping motion away from the play, IMO, you should be on a football field.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by SRW

Oh no it wasn't. Guaranteed Tim and I didn't teach that one. What page is that mechanic on?

Not only did you both teach me that one, Randy gave me a suggestion to use it more in mechanics practice at the gym with both of you watching.

As for where it is, I don't have my 08 rulebook within reach, but it's on page 233 in the 07 book.

To be clear though, Mick's second signal is not a correct mechanic. Only the first one which is the one you taught. Though I don't imagine it'd cause any actual confusion were I to use it, I suppose I'll have to focus on clearing it out of my repertoire.