college catcher warming up pitcher

[shipwreck]

I didn't realize until I looked it up, that the NCAA rulebook states that before the game starts if the catcher is warming up the pitcher off the field, or in the bullpen, it is strongly recommended that she wear a catcher's helmet. Good thing I looked it up or I may have went and talked to one of the players. She didn't have any helmet on. Dave

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by shipwreck

I didn't realize until I looked it up, that the NCAA rulebook states that before the game starts if the catcher is warming up the pitcher off the field, or in the bullpen, it is strongly recommended that she wear a catcher's helmet. Good thing I looked it up or I may have went and talked to one of the players. She didn't have any helmet on. Dave

Just out of curiosity, why would you or for that matter, the NCAA care if a player at that level wore a helmet while warming up the pitcher?

[NCASAUmp]

If they cared, it wouldn't be a recommendation.

[shipwreck]

Well if they are so called adults, and can make their own decisions, why does the NCAA and us as umpires require them to wear helmets while they are batting? Shouldn't these adults be able to decide if they want to wear them or not? Let them play barefoot if they want. Anything goes. Just because they have moved to the college level doesn't mean everything. Dave

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by shipwreck

Well if they are so called adults, and can make their own decisions, why does the NCAA and us as umpires require them to wear helmets while they are batting?

Now, that is just a ludicrous comment.

When batting, someone is throwing the ball to the catcher, not the batter. The batter does not have a glove for protection and isn't the one offering the target. Despite not knowing where the ball is supposed to go, the batter is expected to stand her ground and only bail at the very last second if coming at her.

You are comparing a player in complete control of the aspects of a situation to a player who is guessing at best.

Shouldn't these adults be able to decide if they want to wear them or not? Let them play barefoot if they want. Anything goes. Just because they have moved to the college level doesn't mean everything. Dave

Obviously, a graduate.

[7in60]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Now, that is just a ludicrous comment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

[shipwreck]

OK Mike I'll give you that. I just don't see how by someone moving on to college softball, they are player in complete control while they are warming up a pitcher, yet when they are not in college they aren't. I guess it is just like not having a jewelry rule in NCAA softball. Dave

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by shipwreck

OK Mike I'll give you that. I just don't see how by someone moving on to college softball, they are player in complete control while they are warming up a pitcher, yet when they are not in college they aren't. I guess it is just like not having a jewelry rule in NCAA softball. Dave

The college rules are written with the assumption that the players are adults (even if they are not), and without the assumption of in loco parentis (unlike the high schools).

The high school rules, as said above, assume in loco parentis and the high schools and amateur 18U and younger divisions assume the players are minors (even if they are not).

Adult or minor, certain safety equipment, such as batting helmets, is required while engaged in the game.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by shipwreck

OK Mike I'll give you that. I just don't see how by someone moving on to college softball, they are player in complete control while they are warming up a pitcher, yet when they are not in college they aren't. I guess it is just like not having a jewelry rule in NCAA softball. Dave

Just the same as no requirement for masks on batting helmets. Personally, I think the only reason some of the equipment requirements are in place is due to the need of the real brilliant people of our "society" to blame everything on someone other than their own stupidity and the lawyers and judges which buy into that sad excuse for "intelligent" human beings way of thinking. Think about it. Why should it be necessary to mandate a catcher wear a chest protector? Same with a glove/mitt. The NCAA mandates a player wear a glove. However, ASA does not. But who in their right mind would play without a glove?

Did not mean to jump all over you as I know you are not alone in this train of thought, just don't agree with the point that someone needs to protect me from myself.

BTW, anyone know why there is a 2004 ASA Certified bat logo on Page 52 (electronic format) of the 2008 NCAA Softball Playing Rules under the Undershirts/Undershorts part of the Uniform Rule?

[shipwreck]

Mike maybe I am being naive but I didn't feel you were jumping all over me. I was just trying to figure out some of the nuances of this great game of softball. Dave

[socalumps]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Just the same as no requirement for masks on batting helmets. Personally, I think the only reason some of the equipment requirements are in place is due to the need of the real brilliant people of our "society" to blame everything on someone other than their own stupidity and the lawyers and judges which buy into that sad excuse for "intelligent" human beings way of thinking. Think about it. Why should it be necessary to mandate a catcher wear a chest protector? Same with a glove/mitt. The NCAA mandates a player wear a glove. However, ASA does not. But who in their right mind would play without a glove?

Did not mean to jump all over you as I know you are not alone in this train of thought, just don't agree with the point that someone needs to protect me from myself.

BTW, anyone know why there is a 2004 ASA Certified bat logo on Page 52 (electronic format) of the 2008 NCAA Softball Playing Rules under the Undershirts/Undershorts part of the Uniform Rule?

Saw the logo on page 54 electronic, 53 of written book. It does look out of place in both places.
At least they make the rules available online.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by socalumps

At least they make the rules available online.

Although I believe I know the answer, I must ask: What's your point?

[socalumps]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Although I believe I know the answer, I must ask: What's your point?

BTW, anyone know why there is a 2004 ASA Certified bat logo on Page 52 (electronic format) of the 2008 NCAA Softball Playing Rules under the Undershirts/Undershorts part of the Uniform Rule?

What was yours?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by socalumps

BTW, anyone know why there is a 2004 ASA Certified bat logo on Page 52 (electronic format) of the 2008 NCAA Softball Playing Rules under the Undershirts/Undershorts part of the Uniform Rule?

What was yours?

Let me know when you decide to answer the question. Otherwise, I'm done with this one.

[topper]

Yeah, what was your point?