foul tip or foul ball

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

This would be a foul tip, with the possible issue that this may not be a legal catch. I've underlined the problem phrase (for me) in your description.

The rule book says "caught by the catcher", not "secured". Trapping the ball against the catcher's equipment is not a legal catch. If the catcher made a legal catch, you have a foul tip. If not, a foul ball.

Unless this ball drops to the ground, is it not "caught" the moment the catcher securely holds the ball in his/her hand?

[shipwreck]

At some time the catcher must have the ball in her bare hand in order to get it back to the pitcher or roll the ball to pitcher's circle. I thought if it hadn't touched the ground at this point, it would be a foul tip. My PU partner simply called it a foul ball. I said I was pretty sure it was a foul tip, but since I wasn't 100% sure, we left it at a foul ball. I think we got it wrong. Dave

[7in60]

Originally Posted by shipwreck

At some time the catcher must have the ball in her bare hand in order to get it back to the pitcher or roll the ball to pitcher's circle. I thought if it hadn't touched the ground at this point, it would be a foul tip. My PU partner simply called it a foul ball. I said I was pretty sure it was a foul tip, but since I wasn't 100% sure, we left it at a foul ball. I think we got it wrong. Dave

You got it right. If the ball goes directly to her glove but isn't caught at that moment, it's just a foul ball.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by 7in60

You got it right. If the ball goes directly to her glove but isn't caught at that moment, it's just a foul ball.

That is not correct. It doesn't need to be caught "at that moment." It just needs to be caught by the catcher.

[snorman75]

Originally Posted by Dakota

That is not correct. It doesn't need to be caught "at that moment." It just needs to be caught by the catcher.

It needs to be direct to mitt or hand. It needs to be caught "clean". Anything else is a foul ball.

This is a foul ball since the ball did not go directly to either the mitt or hand.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by snorman75

It needs to be direct to mitt or hand. It needs to be caught "clean". Anything else is a foul ball.

This is a foul ball since the ball did not go directly to either the mitt or hand.

It didn't?

Originally Posted by shipwreck

...the batter hits ball directly and sharply back. Ball first contacts the catcher's mitt...

You have a significant misunderstanding of the foul tip rule. The batted ball DOES need to go directly back and first contact the catcher's hand or glove, but after it does that, the ball does NOT need to be caught "clean" - it merely needs to be legally caught by the catcher.

[cruzercapt]

Originally Posted by Dakota

You have a significant misunderstanding of the foul tip rule. The batted ball DOES need to go directly back and first contact the catcher's hand or glove...

True,

but after it does that, the ball does NOT need to be caught "clean" - it merely needs to be legally caught by the catcher.

Not true. The legal catch must occur before the ball contacts anything else, including the chest protector, mask, umpire, etc.

Additionally, a ball trapped against the chest protector is not legally caught.

David

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Unless this ball drops to the ground, is it not "caught" the moment the catcher securely holds the ball in his/her hand?

Yes, and it probably was a catch, but "securely hold the ball in her hand" was not what he said. He said she secured it against the chest protector.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Yes, and it probably was a catch, but "securely hold the ball in her hand" was not what he said. He said she secured it against the chest protector.

That is true, but how was the ball released? As previously noted. unless the ball is just allowed to drop to the ground from the trapped position or fumbled and dropped, it must have been held securely in the hand at some point prior to the release of the ball by the catcher.

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

That is true, but how was the ball released? As previously noted. unless the ball is just allowed to drop to the ground from the trapped position or fumbled and dropped, it must have been held securely in the hand at some point prior to the release of the ball by the catcher.

Agreed....that piece of the puzzle is missing.

[Tex]

The ball goes Sharply & Directly to catcher's glove or hand And is ultimately caught by catcher (it can bounce from the glove or hand to the chest, head, etc. and still be caught). FOUL TIP

http://www.cactusumpires.com/pages/s.../foul-tip.html

[snorman75]

Sh#T, My bad.

I do have another question I have done what 20-40+ FB games a year for 8 years and countless baseball games for last 20 years and I really do not really ever remember this happen.

I have seen the ball go everywhere but never a foul tip hit the mitt or hand first and then come lose and then be caught.

Counting this thread we have heard about it twice, right? has some of you seen this more then that? and did you call it right?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by snorman75

Sh#T, My bad.

I do have another question I have done what 20-40+ FB games a year for 8 years and countless baseball games for last 20 years and I really do not really ever remember this happen.

There is a "foul tip" in football?