foul tip or foul ball

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

That is true, but how was the ball released? As previously noted. unless the ball is just allowed to drop to the ground from the trapped position or fumbled and dropped, it must have been held securely in the hand at some point prior to the release of the ball by the catcher.

Agreed....that piece of the puzzle is missing.

[Tex]

The ball goes Sharply & Directly to catcher's glove or hand And is ultimately caught by catcher (it can bounce from the glove or hand to the chest, head, etc. and still be caught). FOUL TIP

http://www.cactusumpires.com/pages/s.../foul-tip.html

[shipwreck]

I was correct on the field when I said it was a foul tip, but like I said, wasn't 100% sure at the time so didn't push the issue. Now with the help from some of you, I can see it was a foul tip, no doubt. It surely was a protestable ruling. I am glad it happened in a relative blowout, with the coach oblivious to the correct ruling. It was a good learning experience. Dave

[greymule]

A few months ago, we discussed the following play in ASA:

Ball goes sharp and direct off the bat, hits the catcher's hand, ricochets to her shoulder, and gets trapped behind the chest protector. Since in ASA a ball trapped in a defensive player's equipment is in play, if the catcher reaches in and secures the ball in her hand, this is a foul tip, regardless of how long it took her to secure the ball.

However, if the ball falls out onto the ground, or if the pitcher reaches in and pulls it out, it's just a foul ball.

I'm not sure whether Fed would consider that a foul tip (i.e., whether a ball trapped in a defensive player's equipment is in play—in NCAA, it's just a foul ball).

I'm also not sure whether in Fed a player other than the catcher can catch a foul tip. In ASA, it must be the catcher.

[shipwreck]

greymule, in Federation all action has to be by the catcher. If another fielder touches the ball it is just like it touched the ground. So you say NCAA has a different rule? Dave

[greymule]

So you say NCAA has a different rule?

NCAA is different from ASA as regards a ball trapped/lodged in a defensive player's equipment. In ASA, the ball is live; not so in NCAA. I don't know Fed's rule on this, though I seem to remember that in Fed baseball, it's a dead ball.

If as you say only the catcher in Fed can catch a foul tip, then Fed is in line with NCAA and ASA.

There's some code under which any defensive player can catch a foul tip. Maybe that's Fed baseball.

[snorman75]

Sh#T, My bad.

I do have another question I have done what 20-40+ FB games a year for 8 years and countless baseball games for last 20 years and I really do not really ever remember this happen.

I have seen the ball go everywhere but never a foul tip hit the mitt or hand first and then come lose and then be caught.

Counting this thread we have heard about it twice, right? has some of you seen this more then that? and did you call it right?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by snorman75

Sh#T, My bad.

I do have another question I have done what 20-40+ FB games a year for 8 years and countless baseball games for last 20 years and I really do not really ever remember this happen.

There is a "foul tip" in football?

[greymule]

There is a "foul tip" in football?

Yes. It involves point spreads.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by greymule

There is a "foul tip" in football?

Yes. It involves point spreads.

Lord knows I've had more than my share of those "foul tips."

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Lord knows I've had more than my share of those "foul tips."

Well, I don't bet based on "tips" from anyone. But I have found that the closer to the game the person is offering the "tip", the more unreliable it is.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Well, I don't bet based on "tips" from anyone. But I have found that the closer to the game the person is offering the "tip", the more unreliable it is.

I definetly agree with this one.

Fresh out of college. I went to UNLV so we were always looking for a "tip"....High school buddy is now the bullpen catcher for a MLB team. I get the call. IT's a lock, we're gonna clean up. Between five of us we come up with about $6,000 thousand dollars.

Three of us settle in to watch the game. By the bottom of the second inning we're now chasing 4 runs. Did I mention it's a LOCK. So Irish's statement gave me a chuckle.

Now I pick my losers like everybody else. Einey,meany, miney, mo......

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

Between five of us we come up with about $6,000 thousand dollars.

So...does this mean that you blew $6,000,000 on one bet???

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

So...does this mean that you blew $6,000,000 on one bet???

Even worse, a bet on a BASEBALL GAME???

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

So...does this mean that you blew $6,000,000 on one bet???

It was six thousand dollars-not 6 hundred thousand..Well my share was about $1200. Hey it was a LOCK. Couldn't lose. Had insider information.

That and we were all pretty young and living the Vegas life.....

Nowadays a hundred dollar bet can bring me to tears......