HBP after illegal pitch

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

Result of the play and awards, would be runners on 1B and 3B.

The scenario is an illegal pitch that hits the batter out of the strike zone.

Without the illegal pitch, the play is a dead ball, batter awarded first base, other runners advance only if forced. R1 on second stays there, BR awarded first.

Since the illegal pitch is a delayed dead ball, nothing will happen until the play is complete. When the ball hits the batter, it is an immediate dead ball. (MNBlue said this earlier). The penalty award for a batter hit by a pitched ball out of the strike zone is first base. Since the ball is dead, R1 on second stays there. Same outcome as above.

Basically, I agree with the concept that the hit batter "cancels" the illegal pitch.

[MNBlue]

With runners on, we are actually making an award for the IP to the runners (bumping them a base) and an award to the batter for the HBP(1B).

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by Andy

The scenario is an illegal pitch that hits the batter out of the strike zone.

Without the illegal pitch, the play is a dead ball, batter awarded first base, other runners advance only if forced. R1 on second stays there, BR awarded first.

Since the illegal pitch is a delayed dead ball, nothing will happen until the play is complete. When the ball hits the batter, it is an immediate dead ball. (MNBlue said this earlier). The penalty award for a batter hit by a pitched ball out of the strike zone is first base. Since the ball is dead, R1 on second stays there. Same outcome as above.

Basically, I agree with the concept that the hit batter "cancels" the illegal pitch.

Not true Andy....Pitching Rules 6 Section 8 EFFECT D. If an illegal pitch hits a batter out of the strike zone, the batter is awarded first base, and all other runners advance one base.

[Andy]

You're right...I stand corrected....

I just thought it might be kind of fun to watch some coaches I know try to decide which of the "choices" I proposed would work better for them....

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by Andy

You're right...I stand corrected....

I just thought it might be kind of fun to watch some coaches I know try to decide which of the "choices" I proposed would work better for them....

And I'm always for a little of that fun as well

[scroobs]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

Not true Andy....Pitching Rules 6 Section 8 EFFECT D. If an illegal pitch hits a batter out of the strike zone, the batter is awarded first base, and all other runners advance one base.

This should definitely be put on the 2009 exam. I can see a alot of umpires getting this wrong...

[Dholloway1962]

It's been on one before......I missed it and that's how I learned it

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by scroobs

This should definitely be put on the 2009 exam. I can see a alot of umpires getting this wrong...

Actually, it is not that difficult.

The IP occurs and a DDB is effected.

The ball hits the batter and becomes dead, by rule.

Enforce the rules which pertain to each event in the order which they occurred.

Enforce the IP, then address the HBP.