Home plate crashes

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by roadking

I've had two occassion this week with home plate crashes.
In both cases I did not see deliberate contact.

In first case, catcher has ball in front of base path (blocking plate) runner comes into plate in a non sliding defensive manner, lots of contact.

Second case, catcher waiting to receive ball in front of plate. Runner attempts to slide, but feet stick and body moves foward. Lots of contact. Runners on bases all advance.

What do you guys have here an also I'm looking for any rule of thumb advise for crashes at plate.
Thank you

If you are saying what I think, first case out either on tag or INT, first case ejection if "non sliding defensive manner, lots of contact" means unnecessary force.
Second case, "body moves foward. Lots of contact" could be excess force.
Also could be OBS as yo are implying the ball was not there.
If INT in either case, other runners stay at last base reached before INT.

Rule of thumb is hard, but rules require runner avoidance and lack of excess force.