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Old Fri Jul 11, 2008, 10:53am
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Guys, this is a foul ball by rule. ASA 1-FOUL BALL-G; NFHS 2-25-1-g; all others somewhere, I'm sure.
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Old Fri Jul 11, 2008, 11:35am
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OK, I am the quilty umpire that had the play. Have looked it up, and now
believe that I got the call correct.

This was an excellent game [ending up 1-0 in favor of the team that was on
defense during the questionable play.] I certainly did not want it to effect
the game in any way. Being behind the play, all I saw was catcher take the
ball from her knees. Coach never asked me to get help, [probably should
have on my own, but did not]
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Old Fri Jul 11, 2008, 01:47pm
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Besides NSA, which rules care about "higher than the batter's head"?
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Old Fri Jul 11, 2008, 02:29pm
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Guys, this is a foul ball by rule. ASA 1-FOUL BALL-G; NFHS 2-25-1-g; all others somewhere, I'm sure.
Actually, ASA's definition of Foul Ball does not support a foul ball ruling. However, as previously cited, RS #22 does.
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Old Fri Jul 11, 2008, 02:39pm
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You mean their goofy grammar? ("another" fielder)?
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Old Fri Jul 11, 2008, 03:40pm
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Besides NSA, which rules care about "higher than the batter's head"?
our rule book up here north of the border has that wording.
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Old Fri Jul 11, 2008, 06:04pm
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You mean their goofy grammar? ("another" fielder)?
That's not goofy, but quite meaningful. It avoids the argument of a ball coming off the catcher's glove and being caught by another fielder for a "foul tip" or an out.
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Old Sat Jul 12, 2008, 07:01am
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Glen did a great job calling this game.... and got a call right even though he temporarily thought he might have missed it... (experience pays off always!!)... but I am a little surprised that so many different opinions on this type of call exist here on this forum and with the people i have talked to about this around here. of course it didnt get as many replies as one guys "what color ball bag should i wear?" topic

BTW: whats wrong with my grammar?.... ohhh thats right im a cajun we cant even spell grammar. lol
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Old Sat Jul 12, 2008, 07:55am
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Besides NSA, which rules care about "higher than the batter's head"?
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Old Sat Jul 12, 2008, 09:45am
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Does NSA, or any another "higher than the batter's head" code, claim that a ball that does not travel higher than the batter's head must be a foul tip? (Answer: No. The phrase is in no way a defining element.)

ASA removed the wording out of recognition that a ball could be lower than the batter's head and not be foul tip, and also that a ball could be higher than the batter's head and still be a foul tip.

Therefore, the phrase was useless and served merely to confuse.
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Old Sun Jul 13, 2008, 08:10pm
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Here is a link to Cactus Umpires which discusses foul tip / foul ball.
http://www.cactusumpires.com/pages/s.../foul-tip.html
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Old Sun Jul 13, 2008, 08:25pm
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Here is a link to Cactus Umpires which discusses foul tip / foul ball.
http://www.cactusumpires.com/pages/s.../foul-tip.html
Which is based on NFHS rules and interpretation.
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