Whats the call

[NDblue]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

We've got 2 runners at the beginning of this sitch: R1 on 3B and R2 on 1B. Where would you put R1 if you rule a GRD?

I think I would have him crossing HP and chalking up 1 run for the offensive team.

[wadeintothem]

Hello .. mcfly!

The balls dead. Its not GRD. You dont get to choose GRD on this play.

A space ship could steal that ball and the runner still doesnt get to score.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Hello .. mcfly!

The balls dead. Its not GRD. You dont get to choose GRD on this play.

A space ship could steal that ball and the runner still doesnt get to score.

Okay, let's start seeing some rule citations here...

I have no outs here because: 8-8-M - R2 was on the base, and it sounds like he didn't interfere intentionally.

The problem becomes 8-5-I (the GRD rule), whereby:

When a fair batted ball bounces over, rolls under or through a fence or any designated boundary of the playing field. When the ball deflects off a defensive player and goes out of play in foul ball territory, deflects off a runner or umpire and goes out of play into foul ball territory, after having passed an infielder excluding the pitcher and provided no other infielder had a chance to make an out.

Now, it sounds like F3 had an opportunity to catch the ball in flight. However, I'm going to have to go back on my word and state that ASA, from what I've found, has nothing in the book to cover this specific play. If F3 had been in front of the base (assuming F4 was by 2B), that'd be one thing. However, this doesn't seem to be covered.

I'm not calling an out on R2. However, do you give all runners 2 bases? Or do you do something different? Advance BR to 1B, force R2 to 2B, leave R1 on 3B and call it even?

[wadeintothem]

Oh yea?

OK.. I'm at work so no rule cite in retort.. but when i get home youre gonna get a rule cite and and almost this exact play is in the 08 Case book. 8-8 isnt the one I dont believe..there is another one. I think in the 7's somewheres.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Oh yea?

OK.. I'm at work so no rule cite in retort.. but when i get home youre gonna get a rule cite and and almost this exact play is in the 08 Case book. 8-8 isnt the one I dont believe..there is another one. I think in the 7's somewheres.

Can't be in the 8-7s... Those are "Runner is Out." Unless there's an exception there. 8-8 is "Runner is not out."

I did a search earlier for "deflect," and it only pulled up 8-8-M and RS 26, but neither of them go into a ball that hits a runner on base that hasn't passed a fielder.

[greymule]

This is not so complicated. A fair batted ball hit a runner who was in contact with a base and did not interfere intentionally. The nearest fielder was playing behind the runner. (Whether the fielder had an opportunity to make an out is irrelevant.) Therefore, the ball is immediately dead. The batter gets 1B, and other runners return TOI unless forced.

This is ASA only. NSA's rule covering runners hit while in contact with a base is different. In Babe Ruth softball—which follows OBR—the base is not a sanctuary; the runner is out unless the ball passed a fielder and no other fielder had a chance to make a play. I don't know about Fed softball; it probably follows ASA.

[NCASAUmp]

I'll save wade the trouble. I dug it up in RS #44.

So you'd have R1 on 3B, R2 on 2B and the BR awarded 1B.

I don't know why I was overcomplicating things.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Can't be in the 8-7s... Those are "Runner is Out." Unless there's an exception there. 8-8 is "Runner is not out."

I did a search earlier for "deflect," and it only pulled up 8-8-M and RS 26, but neither of them go into a ball that hits a runner on base that hasn't passed a fielder.

#1. THIS IS NOT A DEFLECTED BALL!!!! The ball is dead.
#2. 8.8.M is the appropriate ruling as it pertains to the status of the runner hit by the ball.
#3. 8.8.E.6 is the appropriate ruling as it pertains to the status of the player who hit the ball.
#4. RS #44.A is the appropriate reference as it pertains to all involved in the play.
#5. Stop mixing beer and orange soda and you will not have these brain farts.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

#5. Stop mixing beer and orange soda and you will not have these brain farts.

Well, it didn't mix well with grape soda, so I thought I'd try something new!

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

#5. Stop mixing beer and orange soda and you will not have these brain farts.

Not to hijack , but I was drinking Blue Moon beer in Aurora, and it is served with orange slices. Pretty good, in a different taste sort of way.