Are you seeing metal cleats in summer play?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by MGKBLUE

I really would like too see ASA, have penalties, similar to high school, for non compliance with certain rules, i.e. jewelery, metal cleats, batting helmets without straps, etc.

ASA does have a penalty for anyone who violates the rules after a warning. It is a forfeit and that is something you would like to avoid.

[robbie]

NSA has an ejection. Also an out if found on offensive

[MGKBLUE]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

ASA does have a penalty for anyone who violates the rules after a warning. It is a forfeit and that is something you would like to avoid.

I agree that a forfeit should be avoided whereever possible. I would think that in a tournament where forfeits need to be approved by the UIC and tournament director, that no such forfeit would be approved for metal cleats or jewelery.

That is why I would like to see another form of penalty, like the high school penalty, restrict the head coach and player to the bench for the remainder of the game.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by MGKBLUE

I agree that a forfeit should be avoided whereever possible. I would think that in a tournament where forfeits need to be approved by the UIC and tournament director, that no such forfeit would be approved for metal cleats or jewelery.

That is why I would like to see another form of penalty, like the high school penalty, restrict the head coach and player to the bench for the remainder of the game.

Even that is going to be heavy handed.

The response I got from my higher up

"You didnt notice it before the game?"

I'll bring it up at the board meeting I guess. I'm not going to press it if I'm going to get dumb answers like that. Obviously ASA was ill prepared for what everyone knew was going to happen... well except ASA.

[kcg NC2Ablu]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Even that is going to be heavy handed.

The response I got from my higher up

"You didnt notice it before the game?"

I'll bring it up at the board meeting I guess. I'm not going to press it if I'm going to get dumb answers like that. Obviously ASA was ill prepared for what everyone knew was going to happen... well except ASA.

You shouldve ejected the players not only is it a rule with an effect .... but that wouldve got your tournement director over there in a hurry

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

I'll bring it up at the board meeting I guess. I'm not going to press it if I'm going to get dumb answers like that. Obviously ASA was ill prepared for what everyone knew was going to happen... well except ASA.

Ill-prepared for what?

ASA made no changes and should not have to go out of their way to accommodate people who are not smart enough to know in what tournament/league they are participating.

Stupid is as stupid does.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Ill-prepared for what?

ASA made no changes and should not have to go out of their way to accommodate people who are not smart enough to know in what tournament/league they are participating.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Yes they do. We deal with a lot of teams that "are not smart enough"... and it was predicted many times this would happen. There is absolutely no guidance on how to handle it. I'll be working a huge 18G NQ next week. What do I do? what ever I get told to do, it wont be out of the rule book.. since there is nothing there.

[BlitzkriegBob]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Yes they do. We deal with a lot of teams that "are not smart enough"... and it was predicted many times this would happen. There is absolutely no guidance on how to handle it. I'll be working a huge 18G NQ next week. What do I do? what ever I get told to do, it wont be out of the rule book.. since there is nothing there.

I believe Wade is correct. Actually, this was even foretold by Nostradamus in one of his last, and most obscure, quatrains. I believe it went something like:

The one with the four letters shall deviate from the palindrome with three,
On the dusty field of combat young women will don blades on their feet,
The one in blue shall wade in to them proclaiming the laws are not set forth,
And he shall be made to take the heat.

[argodad]

Originally Posted by BlitzkriegBob

I believe Wade is correct. Actually, this was even foretold by Nostradamus in one of his last, and most obscure, quatrains. I believe it went something like:

The one with the four letters shall deviate from the palindrome with three,
On the dusty field of combat young women will don blades on their feet,
The one in blue shall wade in to them proclaiming the laws are not set forth,
And he shall be made to take the heat.

Thanks Bob. That's a keeper.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by BlitzkriegBob

I believe Wade is correct. Actually, this was even foretold by Nostradamus in one of his last, and most obscure, quatrains. I believe it went something like:

The one with the four letters shall deviate from the palindrome with three,
On the dusty field of combat young women will don blades on their feet,
The one in blue shall wade in to them proclaiming the laws are not set forth,
And he shall be made to take the heat.

That is pretty good

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

There is absolutely no guidance on how to handle it. I'll be working a huge 18G NQ next week. What do I do?

Rule 3, Section 6

...If a player is requested by the umpire to remove jewelry, illegal shoes or illegal parts of the uniform and they refuse, the player will not be allowed to play.

Handle it exactly like you would the jewelry rule. If they don't comply with your request, they can't play. No ejection, just not allowed to participate. If they want to play, they will comply.

"Coach, player A can't play until she complies with the rule. Who is going to replace her?"

[Skahtboi]

I have to agree that it is not ASA'a fault for maintaining the status quo, and to put the blame on them just doesn't make sense. As MNBlue states above, if they don't comply with the rules, then they don't participate. As far as I am concerned this is really a non-issue.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

Rule 3, Section 6

...If a player is requested by the umpire to remove jewelry, illegal shoes or illegal parts of the uniform and they refuse, the player will not be allowed to play.

Handle it exactly like you would the jewelry rule. If they don't comply with your request, they can't play. No ejection, just not allowed to participate. If they want to play, they will comply.

"Coach, player A can't play until she complies with the rule. Who is going to replace her?"

Thats a very nice rule when it takes two seconds to remove an ear ring..

What if they agree and 10 minutes later, they are still agreeing, changing the cleat things on the bottom of their cleats, digging in their cars and bags looking for cleats or shoes.. etc.. but the other coach is not so agreeing that get as long as they want to agree and the game is a time limit game?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Yes they do. We deal with a lot of teams that "are not smart enough"... and it was predicted many times this would happen. There is absolutely no guidance on how to handle it. I'll be working a huge 18G NQ next week. What do I do? what ever I get told to do, it wont be out of the rule book.. since there is nothing there.

I am surprised at you, wade. You've made this claim a couple of times about no guidance on how to handle it. Phooey. It is illegal equipment, treated the same as any other illegal equipment (other than a bat). Remove it from the game. If the player refuses to remove it from the game, that player cannot play. Simple. No ejections. No threats. No need to get official rulings from higher ups. No ejections. No forfeits (unless the player refusing to remove the cleats makes the team drop below 8 players).

I truly do not understand all the drama here.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Dakota

I am surprised at you, wade. You've made this claim a couple of times about no guidance on how to handle it. Phooey. It is illegal equipment, treated the same as any other illegal equipment (other than a bat). Remove it from the game. If the player refuses to remove it from the game, that player cannot play. Simple. No ejections. No threats. No need to get official rulings from higher ups. No ejections. No forfeits (unless the player refusing to remove the cleats makes the team drop below 8 players).

I truly do not understand all the drama here.

YOu might want to read what I said because I already said they agreed.. they just took forever.



To keep saying "yada yada yada if they refuse remove them from the game" is useless.

And no one is allowing a forfeit... so some real rules and guidance certainly would be nice.

This team was 9+1 sub with their only pitcher having metal cleats and other players with metal cleats.

Its not a drama, its a situation that was handled by making up rules because ASA doesnt have a usable rule.