Stolen from eteamz

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Then again, I'm still trying to figure out how the bat on the batter's shoulder ends up directly over the catcher and still be on the batter's shoulder.

Pure talent is how that happens

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by outathm

Once you have a dead ball, you have something.[/COLOR]

No, once a pitched ball has hit the ground in SP it is a dead ball and you have nothing.

This pretty clearly a FP scenario or there is nothing to discuss...

I understand that IRiISH is the UIC of a whole state and I agree that there are more umpires working any given Tuesday night in Sacramento metro than there are in that whole state.

I'm not in sac metro...

My point in what I was saying is there is always black and white in every situation, the difference between a good umpire and the great umpire is the ability to see and use the grey effectively.

Thats a nice slogan for a power point, but that bs only carries you so far. YOu have to be able to support it by rule.

I got a 18G NQ in a few weeks. You aint bluffin coaches like Gary Haning, Bob Perales, Phil Mumma, Don Ford etc.

I know everyone one of them and they are unbluffable. You have to know your crap.

INT is going to open a can of worms that will spill all over the rest of your game, if not the whole tournament.

Just because someone wants to hand you the $hitty end of the stick does not mean that you have to grab it.

What ever end you grab, when the protest is lodged, you better be able to support your position by the rule book.

Dead ball do over does not exist in ASA.

[outathm]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I don't think is it possible, but that isn't why I brought the scenario over here.

Now that it has been brought up by the originator, why was this brought over here?

[outathm]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

I'm not in sac metro...

This is obvious by three out of every four posts you make. I was using it as an example of how small the state was, not where you are from. Sierra Nevada Mountains are a big range and not specific.

I do agree that whatever you call on this play it better be big and strong and you better hope that no one protests. Because after 4 pages in here I can only imagine what the post game talk with the tournament UIC will sound like, and I am sure none of the discussion will be about the 4th dimension

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by outathm

I do agree that whatever you call on this play it better be big and strong and you better hope that no one protests. Because after 4 pages in here I can only imagine what the post game talk with the tournament UIC will sound like, and I am sure none of the discussion will be about the 4th dimension

Ha! Yeah, I'm thinking no coach would wont to hear about the 4th diminesion on this play.

I think the UIC has to come right now and sort it out... this call is a game stopper IMO.



Call that batter out.. offense has a heart attack..

Award the run.. holy moly...

I changed my mind, I go with the INT.

Man I dont think fast enough!

See thats why Irish brought it over here.

[outathm]

18g NQ you better be thinking and seeing fast.

[IRISHMAFIA]

"Mr. UIC, the ball bounced up off the catcher and, IMJ, the batter hit the ball with the bat in an unusual motion in the box and actively hindered the defense from making a play on the runner attempting to steal."

See how simple that was?

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

"Mr. UIC, the ball bounced up off the catcher and, IMJ, the batter hit the ball with the bat in an unusual motion in the box and actively hindered the defense from making a play on the runner attempting to steal."

See how simple that was?

LOL

yep, definitely the easiest sell.. dead on with the rules..
I like that "unusual motion" .. nice touch...

So how much are we getting to sell our soul to the devil?

[outathm]

Great sell, now if only we had heard that 3 pages ago I could be in bed right now instead of trying to think of how this was going to be sold.

[kcg NC2Ablu]

Originally Posted by outathm

18g NQ you better be thinking and seeing fast.

I hope my 18gNQ tomarrow that craziness doesnt happen. Im to BFE Country to be thinking and seeing fast..... at least according to some people here

[robbie]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

"Mr. UIC, the ball bounced up off the catcher and, IMJ, the batter hit the ball with the bat in an unusual motion in the box and actively hindered the defense from making a play on the runner attempting to steal."

See how simple that was?

I think the call holds on appeal either way it is called. Irish, no problem with your sell. But one could just as easily say:

"Mr. UIC, the pitched ball went off the catcher to dead ball territory. It happened to hit the batter's bat on the way out and could just have easily have hit his helmet. He did nohing to interfere. I have 1 base for all from TOP."

[robbie]

He did nohing to interfere. I have 1 base for all from TOP."

Worded better:
"In my judgement there was no interference bu the batter"


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[WestMichBlue]

In my view, the question should be: "What provided the impetus to propel the ball out of play?"

Was it the pitcher, whose fast ball had enough energy to richocet off a bat and go over the fence?

Was it the bat, swung by the batter's rotational movement, that hit the ball and provided enough energy for the ball to clear the fence?

Only the one who saw this play can answer the question. But when you answer it, then your decision is clear: pitched ball out of play, advance runner. Ball batted out of play, INT and return runners.

Is this, conceptually, any different from the discarded bat issue? Bat hit ball, Interference. Ball hits bat, play on.

WMB

[Dukat]

I sent it in to my assignor and he sent it in and got this response:

>To: Craig Cress
>Subject: fast-pitch rule

>fast pitch question: runners on 1st and 3rd, no outs, no count on batter-
>a pitched ball hits the ground in front of home plate, bounces up and hits >the catcher in the shin guard, bounces off the shin guard, bounces up and >hits the batters bat, while this is happening the runner from 1st
>base is stealing second base. is this a no call, a dead ball and send runner >back to 1st or is it batters interference?

I have spoken with Kevin and our interpretation based on the information
given to us by you is that we play on. We would not penalize the
Offensive team in this case because the ball got to the bat by 2 actions
of the defensive team - the pitcher bouncing the pitch and the catcher
having it go off her shin guard versus blocking and controlling.
So we would have a 'no call' based on the information given to us.


Respectfully,

Craig Cress
Director of Membership Services
ASA/USA Softball
2801 N.E. 50th Street
Oklahoma City, OK 73111
(405) 425-3441

[Andy]

Dukat - you left out the two things that make this play so interesting and are the basis of the differing views.

1. The batter turned to look for the ball, moving her body and bat.
2. The ball ricocheted off the catcher, then hit the batter's bat and went out of play.

The play that Craig's answer was based on is basically a no-brainer.