Disqualified ?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Coaches and male fp/sp players.. gotta go. No hanging around. Girls, maybe I just dont notice it.. all FP players look alike and are named carlie or kaylie, so how the heck do I know who it is?

Well, if I toss someone and they go quietly, I'll continue the game without much delay. I know ASA says you're to wait until an ejected player is gone, but if a player shrugs, says, "yeah, you're right. Sorry, guys," I'm not going to stare him down all the way to the parking lot.

In fact, one game, I tossed a guy for violating Mike's favorite "no profanity" rule. Hey, local rules, not mine. He kept quiet all the way to the dugout, changed his shoes quickly and quietly, and started out the dugout to the parking lot. I signal "play ball," but my BU starts yelling, "no, sir, you do not!" This BU has been known to be a bit of a hot-head, and the players didn't care much for him. As I'm walking towards my partner to tell him, "hey, he's going quietly, there's no need for this," the ejected player now realizes that he's being singled out and starts tossing a bunch of profanity in the direction of my BU, all the way out to the parking lot. Frankly, my partner deserved it (and I don't say that very often).

Yes, procedures are procedures, but sometimes, a little professional discretion is justifiable.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

In a league or friendly, that is an administrative decision and the umpire can follow their direction.

Other than that, as an umpire, it isn't your call.

We all know the written ASA rule and I'm not sure why you keep restating it.

NUS and my UIC will allow benching. I'm sure you know NUS allows benching in practice for girls, because they have said it in every clinic where I have heard it brought up. In fact, in my area they are even trying to put it in the bylaws (something I vehemently oppose and will be voting and have argued against).

There are times when the black and white written rule is not what is exactly taught at clinics or whats done in practice, and ejection/leave the park vs benching a minor is one of them.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

We all know the written ASA rule and I'm not sure why you keep restating it.

NUS and my UIC will allow benching. I'm sure you know NUS allows benching in practice for girls, because they have said it in every clinic where I have heard it brought up. In fact, in my area they are even trying to put it in the bylaws (something I vehemently oppose and will be voting and have argued against).

There are times when the black and white written rule is not what is exactly taught at clinics or whats done in practice, and ejection/leave the park vs benching a minor is one of them.

Well, ejecting a minor out of the park carries numerous other issues with it, such as the fact that the player IS a minor and, in this society, would require a chaperone with her in the parking lot.

You also don't have the same complications from a minor getting ejected as you do with an adult. Most minors just slump on the bench, but an adult wants to give you a piece of his mind.

I have no problems with letting the minor sit on the bench, so long as they do so quietly and under the control of the coach. If they get out of control (such as calling the umpire a "mother f..." - it happened last week to an umpire I know), then that's a different matter.

At the NUS I went to in February, this issue was not brought up, but each instructor has his/her own list of discussions.

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Actually, this year has been a quiet year for me. Only one toss, and it had nothing to do with me or my calls.

Did someone take your partners parking space?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by MichaelVA2000

Did someone take your partners parking space?

Nah, Ol' Bill's got his own handicapped parking space.

Just kidding. I know where he puts the keys to his truck, and I've been waiting for the right moment to move his truck on him.

Actually, the only ejection I've had so far was for USC. He taunted the other team a little too much, so I gave him a warning. Next inning, his team made a great play, so he started yelling at the opponent his teammate had tagged out, "yeah, that's right! You're out, pal! Get going! Left! Right! Left! Right! Left! Right!"

Yeah, that did it for him.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Well, ejecting a minor out of the park carries numerous other issues with it, such as the fact that the player IS a minor and, in this society, would require a chaperone with her in the parking lot...

Unless you are talking about school ball, this is not the umpire's concern or responsiblity. Every minor child on a summer / rec / travel team has a coach and a parent. Dealing with the care of the child away from the field is their responsibility, not the umpire's.

Mind you, I don't have a problem with ejection but stay in the area (even in the dugout) if the player is not a further disruption, but the above is NOT a reason the umpire should be concerned with. Eject the player as normal. The rest is up to the coaches / parents.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

We all know the written ASA rule and I'm not sure why you keep restating it.

Please cite the post in which I "restated" the rule?

NUS and my UIC will allow benching. I'm sure you know NUS allows benching in practice for girls, because they have said it in every clinic where I have heard it brought up. In fact, in my area they are even trying to put it in the bylaws (something I vehemently oppose and will be voting and have argued against).

Actually, I've never heard that from the NUS. Unlike Dave's partner, I'm not hovering over an ejected player and marching him/her out of the park. However, I am going to expect them to leave.

I'm sure there are some who may believe this to be callous, you need to remember that we are there to umpire a ball game, not to babysit and give timeouts to misbehaving children. That is the coach's job.

Have you ever seen a JO team during championship play that was not accompanied by a bevy of adults? The parents have already agreed to abide by the ASA rules when they signed the roster. Having an available adult to attend to the ejected player shouldn't be an issue.

Have you ever ejected a JO player that did not deserve it? Do you not let things go from JO players that you wouldn't hesitate to dump an adult player because you try not to eject them?

Then there is the embarassment factor which may actually help control the player and team. It could also teach a few kids a lesson about on field behavior.

There are times when the black and white written rule is not what is exactly taught at clinics or whats done in practice, and ejection/leave the park vs benching a minor is one of them.

No argument, but it is often that "black and white written rule" that CYA when an issue arises. You may find this hard to believe , but I used to be that "nice guy" that would let this go or ignore that. Being a nice guy only works when those involved get their way. Been burned too many times and just will not be the "nice guy" any longer.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Being a nice guy only works when those involved get their way. Been burned too many times and just will not be the "nice guy" any longer.

True that.... it does not work for sure.

[Dutch Alex]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

True that.... it does not work for sure.

Hear, hear! I've been also disapointed one too many times...

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Unless you are talking about school ball, this is not the umpire's concern or responsiblity. Every minor child on a summer / rec / travel team has a coach and a parent. Dealing with the care of the child away from the field is their responsibility, not the umpire's.

Mind you, I don't have a problem with ejection but stay in the area (even in the dugout) if the player is not a further disruption, but the above is NOT a reason the umpire should be concerned with. Eject the player as normal. The rest is up to the coaches / parents.

I wasn't saying I was concerned about it. I just said it's another issue. I didn't say it was MY issue.