Base on Balls Issue.

[GaryBarrentine]

ASA, 14U Rec Ball, 5 runs per inning.

Bases loaded, 2 outs, offense team has scored 4 runs.

Batter receives a base on balls/walk, R3 advances and crosses plate, R2 advances and touches 3rd, DC calls in the defense, R1 advances but about 3/4 way to 2nd heads toward dugout and batter heads to and enters dugout without offering to head to 1st.

What is your call? Do the run go on the board?

Thanks

GaryB

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by GaryBarrentine

ASA, 14U Rec Ball, 5 runs per inning....

Yes.

[GaryBarrentine]

Dakota,

Are you saying the run goes on the board?

What about the batter not going to first? Doesn't the batter have to complete her base running duties before the run counts?

Thanks

GaryB

[Dakota]

No, I'm saying (humorously... or maybe not.... )rec ball with a per inning run limit is pretty low level. It is something I just wouldn't "notice."

By rule, the run doesn't count.

[GaryBarrentine]

Dakota,

Thanks, I agree it is low. But today we can not have blow outs where kids self esteem is hurt.

GaryB

[cpa]

I had this exact play earlier this year in exactly the same situation except it was only the runner from first to second who failed to advance properly. I called the runner out (without waiting for appeal) and then wrestled w/ it for 2 weeks after and finally came to the conclusion I made a horsesh--t call.

My reasoning -- I called the the runner from first to second out because she stopped 40 FEET SHORT of second base, removed her helmet, and ran in the dugout. Relying on the rules supplement, I reasoned there was no appeal play here -- the rules supplement says MISSING a base is an appeal play, not failure to touch. She did not "miss" the base -- she never got anywhere near it -- Instead of waiting for an appeal, I called her out immediately.

But if you go back to the actual rule book, it clearly says FAILURE TO TOUCH is an appeal play, NOT "missing a base".

There is a helluva lot of difference between the 2 -- I can't buy that stopping 40 feet short of second is "missing" second, but I can accept it as failure to touch.

So I think I got it wrong -- although I do think the rules supplement on appeals needs to change the verbage to conform to the actual rule -- "missing a base" means can mean something entirely different than "failure to touch"

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by GaryBarrentine

Dakota,

Thanks, I agree it is low. But today we can not have blow outs where kids self esteem is hurt.

GaryB

Plus it seems to make the games go by faster, which is good for us.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by GaryBarrentine

Dakota,

Thanks, I agree it is low. But today we can not have blow outs where kids self esteem is hurt.

GaryB

I do plenty of games in this category every season, so nothing implied beyond the reality of the league. In the end, the per inning run limit warps the game anyway, so what does letting them have their 5 hurt? I wouldn't have a big issue ignoring the BR and letting the run score. But, the correct call is no run scores.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by GaryBarrentine

Dakota,

Thanks, I agree it is low. But today we can not have blow outs where kids self esteem is hurt.

GaryB

I kept looking for a smiley face on this post, but to no avail!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

By rule, the run doesn't count.

Why? Is the runner on 3B not entitled to advance to home base when a BOB was awarded the batter. 8.5.A

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Why? Is the runner on 3B not entitled to advance to home base when a BOB was awarded the batter. 8.5.A

8-1-C-1
5-5-B-1
8-2-D

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

8-1-C-1
5-5-B-1
8-2-D

Nice citation, but off point. Your contention is that the BR is out. Mine is that the inning is over when R1 advances to his/her awarded base.

Besides, if you make that call after the defense has left the field and everyone believes the game is over, you deserve whatever you get from the fans

[Dakota]

I never said I would make the call.

Mine is that the inning is over when R1 advances to his/her awarded base.

So, it is a timing play?

[wadeintothem]

This is rec ball with a 5 run run rule...

This is what I do when working that (our rec has a 5 run up rule).

When R1 touches home for the 5th run, I yell "bring em in".

You cant be citing ASA rules on this because this is a league rule.

So, do what you want. I consider the ball dead and inning over once the runner touches home, so that is how I handle it.

[Dakota]

You guys are seriously humor deprived.