Wow, I cannot believe an umpire said that...

[Bandit]

I have pretty must given up my summer ball umpiring because of my daughter and son's schedule. I heard something this week-end that simply AMAZED me. USSSA. 10 & Under. Asked the umpire between innings if he would be so kind as to ask that the opposing teams pitcher make sure that when she steps onto the rubber that her hands were seperated. Did not want a penalty. Did not want to make a scene. Simply made a quiet request. Then I heard 2 things. #1 Coach I'm not going to worry about that....their only 10 year olds. I smiled and walked away after simply saying "thank-you". And before I could return to the dugout he followed me and said coach....."I don't follow all of the rules in the book for this age group...if I did it would make for a really lousy game." Has any one else found a need to NOT follow the rules book because it can create a really "lousy" game. Just wondering?

PS this is only one of several things I was "taught" this week-end!

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by Bandit

Has any one else found a need to NOT follow the rules book because it can create a really "lousy" game. Just wondering?

I think we do it all the time in 10 and under ball and Rec ball. Do you use the rule book strike zone in all age groups? I don't...it is based on level of ball. You use the rule book zone in 10 and under and it will be a walkfest. Do you call all illegal pitches in a 10 and under game, I don't..If the wind picks up and she stops her delivery because of the dust, or if she goes to the glove twice I won't call that an IP.

If you didn't want a penalty or to make a scene why even bring it up?

Curious, If you had been umpiring and a coach came up to you and said that what would you have done?

I do see his side...would I have verbalized it to a coach, probably not.

Would I have called the IP or even talked to her about it, at that age group probably not.

Would I have mentioned to the coach that he needs to work with her getting on the pitcher's plate with the hands seperated, probably.

[Bandit]

To answer some of your questions..and to add at least one. First my question...where in the book does it say 10 and Unders are to be handled with special rules or handling? Now please allow me to answer but clearify. Do I call IP on 10's. Yes I do. Now do I give them time to fix or do I warn. Yes. But at what point do you say enogh is enough? You question of why ask if I didn't want to make a scene or want the penalty...How about the teaching part of the game. What would I do if a coach came up to me with a question such as mine...And I have...I would kindly attempt to take care of the issue. Now about your dust issue/question. Would I or have I given benefit of doubt or benefit of conditions to pitchers. Absolutley. I guess my real question and even more so after you response. Why do you penalize the teams and girls who have been taught to do it right and legal and reward the ones who have not? This is TRAVEL ball BIG GIRL ball if you want to be handled with kid gloves go find a rec league. Travel ball cost too much money.

[SWFLguy]

Hmmm---
Common Sense Umpiring vs. Technical Umpiring ??
I'll take the common sense approach. It has worked for me for over 50 years.
(siding with dhollaway)

[SRW]

There's a saying we have up here in the upper left corner of the world...

Rulebook right, Ballfield Wrong.

Think about it...

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by SRW

Rulebook right, Ballfield Wrong.

We are paid to enforce the rules of the game. Period. That means we don't take it upon ourselves to decide at any time that today we are going to enforce only these rules, otherwise I will probably have a really lousy game. It is the "lousy" games that challege us and our skills as umpires. The high level stuff, (good varsity HS and college level) practically calls itself.

These kids need to learn. They need to know what is legal and illegal. They need to learn it as soon as the rule applies to them, so long as there aren't superceding league rules in place. If, in the case of the OP, the USSSA rule book says that the pitcher must step on the pitching plate with both hands separated (it does), then we have to enforce this. Could you take the time to tell the coach so that he may have the opportunity to work on this with his pitcher before you call the infraction, sure. I would advise it. Don't sell these kids short. The learning curve is really high at their age.