Inning ending mistake

[Little Jimmy]

Did forget to mention Fed rules. And doesn't the offense bear some responsibility for not knowing the out count and simply walking off the field?

[Stu Clary]

I got a third out. 8-7-u in ASA.

EDIT: 8-6-22 in FED

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Stu Clary

I got a third out. 8-7-u in ASA.

Nobody said the runner entered the dugout. Every team I played with would always bring out a runner's glove at the change of the inning.

Long ago, when I started umpiring, there was a coach who used this as a ploy to catch the offense of guard.

If an inning was going a bit long, he would signal his team to hustle off the field on out #2. Half the time, the defender with the ball would just run toward the mound and tag an unsuspecting runner who has walked off the base.

Having played for that coach, I was aware of the play and would always be alert. Never had a problem calling that 3rd out, nor did I have a problem resetting the field if the offense caught on or allowing the additional bases if they were smart enough to safely advance during the charade.

[BretMan]

Had this one last year, in a competetive high school summer league...(ie: they should have known better).

Runner on third. I have one out (which was correct). Batter grounds out, 6-3. F3 rolls ball to the circle and the defense hustles off the field.

Runner at third begins to wander toward her dugout. Third base coach, maybe after noticing that I'm still watching the field, alertly tells runner to "run home!". She does and scores without a play.

Defensive coach gets bent out of shape. Seems to think the whole thing was my fault. Guess he thinks I should have killed the play and protected his team from their own blunder.

Just to be 100% sure, I check both books and both had only two outs (hey, it's not like I've ever missed one before, but had this one right).

Coach is still fuming. My response: "Coach, I didn't say there were three outs and I didn't tell your team to leave the field! They did that all on their own. Get back out there- we have another batter!".

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by BretMan

Had this one last year, in a competetive high school summer league...(ie: they should have known better).

Runner on third. I have one out (which was correct). Batter grounds out, 6-3. F3 rolls ball to the circle and the defense hustles off the field.

Runner at third begins to wander toward her dugout. Third base coach, maybe after noticing that I'm still watching the field, alertly tells runner to "run home!". She does and scores without a play.

Defensive coach gets bent out of shape. Seems to think the whole thing was my fault. Guess he thinks I should have killed the play and protected his team from their own blunder.

Just to be 100% sure, I check both books and both had only two outs (hey, it's not like I've ever missed one before, but had this one right).

Coach is still fuming. My response: "Coach, I didn't say there were three outs and I didn't tell your team to leave the field! They did that all on their own. Get back out there- we have another batter!".

Bret,
I had a similar happening in a high school game a couple of years ago. What turned out to be the winning run scored when the defense dropped the ball in the circle and left the field. A very funny prelude was that the defense's pitching coach had just yelled to the team that there were 2 outs (I only showed 1 and so did my partner). So nobody was nuts enough to say their mistake was our fault - but they did kinda lay into the assistant coach.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Steve M

... A very funny prelude was that the defense's pitching coach had just yelled to the team that there were 2 outs (I only showed 1 and so did my partner)....

Would you ever consider correcting the coach who yells this to his team?

Originally Posted by Dakota

Would you ever consider correcting the coach who yells this to his team?

That's coaching, not umpiring. I would only correct the number of outs if I were asked by a coach or a player.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Would you ever consider correcting the coach who yells this to his team?

I would absolutely do this. It's not coaching, it's preventative umpiring. The defense aren't the only ones who can hear this. The runners can hear it, too.

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Would you ever consider correcting the coach who yells this to his team?

Tom,
No - far be it from me to correct what a coach sez to his team - I'm not a coach.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Would you ever consider correcting the coach who yells this to his team?

I dont correct the coach, but when I hear that, I say and signal the correct number of outs.

ie

Coach "OK girls 2 outs".

Me getting set "Here we go 1 down".

if coach batter & catcher dont catch on, thats their problem.

[Stu Clary]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Nobody said the runner entered the dugout.

Nobody said the player didn't enter the dugout either.

Every team I played with would always bring out a runner's glove at the change of the inning.

Every? Always?

I'm very leerly of words like that, especially when taking an umpire test.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Stu Clary

Nobody said the player didn't enter the dugout either.

Yet that fact makes a difference as the runner could not be declared out unless they did so according to your rule citation of 8.7.U.

Every? Always?

I'm very leerly of words like that, especially when taking an umpire test.

You can be as "leerly" as you want, I don't care. I think I am a bit more qualified to state what has happened in my life than your are.

[ronald]

Sportsmanship (somebody verbalizing wrong number of outs). Make sure the game is played fair.

[ronald]

If you remember the movie about AIDS with Denzel Washington and Tom Hanks and Denzel keeps bringing up thinking like a six year old... There is our answer.

I'm 100% sure that is what ASA was thinking when they said not to call an illegal pitch when a player is in foul territory.

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by ronald

Sportsmanship (somebody verbalizing wrong number of outs). Make sure the game is played fair.

That may be OK in your little league or some other kind of recreational play. But that is not OK in a real game. Following your line of thought, do you have a "do-over" when a defensive player makes an error and allows a run to score? Or when a runner leaves a base too early, do you reset everything and do that over too?