Foul tip

[JefferMC]

Originally Posted by tcblue13

NSA 2006 Ruleset
1-22
FOUL TIP: A foul tip is a batted ball that goes directly from the bat, not higher than the batter's head, to the catcher's hands or glove/mitt, and is legally caught by the catcher. A foul tip is a strike. The batter is out if it is the third strike. A foul tip is a dead ball. Exception: The Men's Major and AA divisions, the ball remains alive.
Note:- Any foul tip is a strike

For a minute, I was shaking my head... how can NSA have such a fundamental disagreement with everyone else. Then I realized that was a slow pitch definition. The fastpitch definition reads:

Originally Posted by NSA 2006 Rules, p77

Sec. 26 FOUL TIP: A foul tip is a batted ball that goes directly from the bat, not higher than the batters head, to the catcher’s hands or glove/mitt, and is legally caught by the catcher. A foul tip is a strike. The batter is out if it is the third strike. A foul tip remains alive. A runner may advance with liability to be put out from one base to another on a foul tip without tagging. The foul tip is treated as if it were a swing and miss. A batted ball that travels directly from the bat not higher than the batter’s head to any part of the catcher’s body or equipment other than the hand(s) or glove/mitt is a foul ball is dead and is not a foul tip. A batted ball that goes higher than the batter’s head is a foul ball. It is not a foul tip. If legally caught, the batter is out.
NOTE: Any foul tip is a strike, and the ball is in play.

Superfluously and redunantly thorough and redunant, aren't they? But what is this about the ball hitting the catcher being dead?

[MD Longhorn]

Thought E was true.

Ball hit directly to catcher's mitt, bounces up, fumbled a bit by F2, caught by F1... whaddayahave?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Thought E was true.

Ball hit directly to catcher's mitt, bounces up, fumbled a bit by F2, caught by F1... whaddayahave?

Foul ball. ASA Definitions - FOUL BALL - G.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Foul ball. ASA Definitions - FOUL BALL - G.

I don't have my book here ... can you quote G for me?

And if it's foul ... is it foul and caught? An out... with runners needing to return if they left before the ball hit the catcher? if so, the smark catcher would, on a routine foul tip, bobble it on purpose right on out to the pitcher and let F1 catch it. A stealing baserunner would be a dead duck. This can't be right.

[Dakota]

No, not an out. Just a foul ball. It is an odd-duck rule that goes against the general bobbled-ball-caught-by-another-fielder definition of a catch.

Here it is:

FOUL BALL: A batted ball that:
G. Goes directly from the bat to any part of the catcher’s body or equipment and is caught by another fielder.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Dakota

No, not an out. Just a foul ball. It is an odd-duck rule that goes against the general bobbled-ball-caught-by-another-fielder definition of a catch.

Here it is:

But the foul tip rule separates straight-to-glove from straight-to-body/equipment. A ball that goes straight to the catcher's equipment and is caught is not a foul tip either.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

But the foul tip rule separates straight-to-glove from straight-to-body/equipment.

Is the catcher's hand/glove not part of the player's body/equipment?