New position for BU

[bigsig]

Originally Posted by BuggBob

Okay I'm not making this up. ASA fast pitch, runner on third, my partner is between the 2nd baseman and 2nd base. He claims it allows him a better view of the play at first, but that the plate umpire then has the throw back at 3rd. I tell him to get over to the correct position. He just shrugs and stays put. Looking of suggestions on what (if anything) you all would have done.

Bugg

While out of position in ASA, that is our recommended FED (NFHS) position with a runner on 3rd. IMO it does give you a good view of throw back to 3B and a much better position for calls at 1B.

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by bigsig

While out of position in ASA, that is our recommended FED (NFHS) position with a runner on 3rd. IMO it does give you a good view of throw back to 3B and a much better position for calls at 1B.

That must be for baseball, since my NFHS Umpires Manual says differently.

page 58
Runner on Third Base Only - Fast Pitch

Field Umpire:

1. Take a position two or three steps behind and to the shortstop's right. Be cautious so as not to interfere with the outfielders view of the batter or a play by the infielders.
2. If a ball is hit to the infield wait until the fielder commits herself, then move quickly toward that base. Don't take your eyes off the ball.
3. Call all plays made on the first throw of the ball unless it is to home plate. Take the batter-runner into third base and see that all bases are touched.
4. Refer to Field Umpire Section

[BretMan]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

That must be for baseball, since my NFHS Umpires Manual says differently.

Just for the record, I can assure that IS NOT standard baseball positioning.

[umpharp]

Maybe your partner does a lot of slow pitch. Everything he said was correct...if it was ASA slow pitch.

I hadn't heard of high school going to that mechanic....

In all fast pitch that I know of, the base ump should be somewhere in the C slot with runners on 2nd or 3rd.

To answer your question. I would get through the game as best as I could, then tell your partner when you are in private that you will A) never work with him again. B) you will be reporting the sitution to your local UIC.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by umpharp

Maybe your partner does a lot of slow pitch. Everything he said was correct...if it was ASA slow pitch.

Only if F4 was playing extremely deep. Otherwise, the BU in SP with a runner on 3B only should be off F4's left shoulder.

[SRW]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Only if F4 was playing extremely deep. Otherwise, the BU in SP with a runner on 3B only should be off F4's left shoulder.

Check your March 2007 Rules Clarifications on this one, Mike. Pg. 251 Situation 9 diagram, and Pg 252 #8 was changed...

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by SRW

Check your March 2007 Rules Clarifications on this one, Mike. Pg. 251 Situation 9 diagram, and Pg 252 #8 was changed...

You are correct, but it makes no sense.

In this SP scenario, the BU is responsible ONLY for the BR at 1B. The PU is responsible for any play or tag up at 3B, so there is no need to put F4 between the BU and his point of responsiblity.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by bigsig

While out of position in ASA, that is our recommended FED (NFHS) position with a runner on 3rd. IMO it does give you a good view of throw back to 3B and a much better position for calls at 1B.

Not in NFHS FP softball. You should be in the standard ASA C position.

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by bigsig

While out of position in ASA, that is our recommended FED (NFHS) position with a runner on 3rd. IMO it does give you a good view of throw back to 3B and a much better position for calls at 1B.

Using the standard Fed 'C' position and working between pitches, you'll have your 90-degree angle on that pickoff at 3B from 10 feet or so. By reading the play, going to 1B and hustling, you should be near the circle for the call at 1B. Your recommended Fed positioning appears to be lazy.

[Dutch Alex]

Here in the Neth.'s we are using the method as writen in opening post, BUT only with two out. With two down a pick off on 3th base isn't common and most plays will go on 1st base. It's the way we're supposed to work...

[ukumpire]

Originally Posted by Dutch Alex

Here in the Neth.'s we are using the method as writen in opening post, BUT only with two out. With two down a pick off on 3th base isn't common and most plays will go on 1st base. It's the way we're supposed to work...

Hey Mr Sander
I am in the Czech Rep for the European Girls Championships that you should of been at, and because you were not here Gilbert only had 9 umpires for 120 spots, why did you not send your wife on Holiday and you come here
Clemence says hello, he did a great job for his 1st ESF Tournament. Hope to see you soon. Totziens

[Dutch Alex]

Originally Posted by ukumpire

Hey Mr Sander
I am in the Czech Rep for the European Girls Championships that you should of been at, and because you were not here Gilbert only had 9 umpires for 120 spots, why did you not send your wife on Holiday and you come here
Clemence says hello, he did a great job for his 1st ESF Tournament. Hope to see you soon. Totziens

Hi Spencer,

It's Mr Bootsman, Sander for friends. I hope you'll continue with calling me "Sander"... It's not that I didn't want to be in the Czech Rep.; my boss couldn't miss me for four weeks. Tomorrow I'm leaving for France, with wife and son.

How did you do in Pilzen? You're having about 12-13 games this week? I saw a great pic of Gilbert, while he was at the EC-FPman in Belgium.

Was Clemence the only fresh (from my class) one? I thought that also two Greek-rookies would go and maybe a lost dutch (Arjan or Bob)...

Hope to see you soon...

[ukumpire]

Originally Posted by Dutch Alex

Hi Spencer,

It's Mr Bootsman, Sander for friends. I hope you'll continue with calling me "Sander"... It's not that I didn't want to be in the Czech Rep.; my boss couldn't miss me for four weeks. Tomorrow I'm leaving for France, with wife and son.

How did you do in Pilzen? You're having about 12-13 games this week? I saw a great pic of Gilbert, while he was at the EC-FPman in Belgium.

Was Clemence the only fresh (from my class) one? I thought that also two Greek-rookies would go and maybe a lost dutch (Arjan or Bob)...

Hope to see you soon...

Yeah Pappa George and Bob are also here but you e\want to call Bob a Fresh Man well with his knowledge I suppose he is but with his experience I am not to sure about the term Freash, but any how Pappa Gearge is a great guy and a very good umpire as I am sure you are too, Pappa George just showed me a pic from Chocen
Catch You Later as I am now enjoying my Jack Daniels

[bigsig]

Originally Posted by Steve M

Using the standard Fed 'C' position and working between pitches, you'll have your 90-degree angle on that pickoff at 3B from 10 feet or so. By reading the play, going to 1B and hustling, you should be near the circle for the call at 1B. Your recommended Fed positioning appears to be lazy.

It's not my recommended position, it's our UIC's.
It is NFHS Fastpitch
Here is why I like it: Just My Opinion
If you are in the C psoition and the SS is playing deep, near the outfield grass, your angle to 3B is NOT 90 degrees but it is 90 degrees if you are positioned just off of 2B. In addition, in the C psoition, with a deep SS, you could be more than 100 feet from 1B. If the ball is hit to the left side of the feild there's not much chance of getting inside and therefore you are making a call from a long distance. Positioned near 2B you are less than 60 feet from either 3B or 1B.
There is a difference between being smart and lazy.
IMO it's a good idea.

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by bigsig

It's not my recommended position, it's our UIC's.
It is NFHS Fastpitch

It is not the recommended mechanic for NFHS Fastpitch. (See previous replies)

Originally Posted by bigsig

It's not my recommended position, it's our UIC's.
If you are in the C psoition and the SS is playing deep, near the outfield grass, your angle to 3B is NOT 90 degrees 2B you are less than 60 feet from either 3B or 1B.

There is a difference between being smart and lazy.
IMO it's a good idea.

Once the catcher catches the pitch, or more specifically, when the batter doesn't hit the pitch, I'm moving to get into position to make the next probable call, the pick at third. Umpiring isn't about standing around and waiting for a play to happen, it's OK to move to a new position once the situation has changed.