I Should have known it wasn't gonna be my night...

[NC_Blue]

There are leagues I won't work.....(ahem....co-ed).

Player eligibility is not the umpire's call. The ejected player should have been told to leave the area within 1 minute, or the game will be a forfeit.

I've never seen this anywhere, though. I don't mandate time limits. I tell them (coaches) they need to make progress. Once a player is ejected.....he's not there as far as I'm concerned.

I won't go looking for this.....but I dang sure won't shy away from it, either.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by NC_Blue

...I've never seen this anywhere, though. ...

Haven't seen what anywhere?

[3afan]

Originally Posted by iowasoftballump

This right here is why I do not do SP softball. I played SP when I was in the Navy and I know how I acted and god knows there was once or twice I should have been thrown out of games.

same here - no adult SP

[Ed Maeder]

I don't do SP because our local umpire association and our local ASA association doesn't back us up when we take care of business. A small percentage of people that play make it bad for everyone else and when we take charge and heaven forbid have to eject someone, we are the ones that are reprimanded. Most of our senior umpires will no longer do slow pitch. I gave my association the respect that I expect in return for 20 some odd years but will no longer deal with the system here.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Ed Maeder

I don't do SP because our local umpire association and our local ASA association doesn't back us up when we take care of business. A small percentage of people that play make it bad for everyone else and when we take charge and heaven forbid have to eject someone, we are the ones that are reprimanded. Most of our senior umpires will no longer do slow pitch. I gave my association the respect that I expect in return for 20 some odd years but will no longer deal with the system here.

One of our local leagues has the same problem where the guy running the league sides more with the players than he does the umpires. I tossed a guy for giving me too much lip on an obvious call, who then proceeded to call me everything under the sun, cursing, swearing, all the way to the parking lot. Big scene. The director only issued 1-game suspension.

Another umpire I work with was umpiring in the same league (different field, though), and was overheard saying "oh, I'd have thrown his a$$ out." Didn't say it too loudly, only a few people heard it. The director insisted to our assignor that the umpire be suspended for TWO WEEKS.

Once I'd heard that, I asked my assignor not to assign me to that town whenever possible. The director comes from a player's background, and he doesn't provide us the backing we need to do our jobs properly. My assignor knows my reasons, and he has been good enough to honor my request. However, he knows that if he really got into a bind, I'd help him out and call that town's games, despite my strong distaste for this director.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Ed Maeder

I don't do SP because our local umpire association and our local ASA association doesn't back us up when we take care of business. A small percentage of people that play make it bad for everyone else and when we take charge and heaven forbid have to eject someone, we are the ones that are reprimanded. Most of our senior umpires will no longer do slow pitch. I gave my association the respect that I expect in return for 20 some odd years but will no longer deal with the system here.

Why in the name of (enter deity here) would a local UMPIRE association not support their umpires? OTOH, that would incite me to work more games and challenge their authority. Get those senior umpires back on the field and start dumping anyone who shows the slightest bit of disrespect or attempts to make any discussion personal. I have always stated that the worst word a player can use in a disagreement on an umpire's call is "you".

What is the association going to do?

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Why in the name of (enter deity here) would a local UMPIRE association not support their umpires? OTOH, that would incite me to work more games and challenge their authority. Get those senior umpires back on the field and start dumping anyone who shows the slightest bit of disrespect or attempts to make any discussion personal. I have always stated that the worst word a player can use in a disagreement on an umpire's call is "you".

What is the association going to do?

Ive been told by a higher up umpire in our assoc (although most definately not our top dogs) .. If you dump 1 per year, thats fine, if you dump 2, youre probably the problem. Thats totally BS IMO. .. but thats what I was told.

Luckily I know that at the top levels of our Assoc, the umpires are backed and our commish IS an umpire who will dump someone.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Ive been told by a higher up umpire in our assoc (although most definately not our top dogs) .. If you dump 1 per year, thats fine, if you dump 2, youre probably the problem. Thats totally BS IMO. .. but thats what I was told.

Luckily I know that at the top levels of our Assoc, the umpires are backed and our commish IS an umpire who will dump someone.

All it takes is for word of this to get out before players try using it to their advantage. They bait you to toss them, and when you do, you pay the penalty.

Total horsecrap.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Ive been told by a higher up umpire in our assoc (although most definately not our top dogs) .. If you dump 1 per year, thats fine, if you dump 2, youre probably the problem. Thats totally BS IMO. ..

That is being kind. These must be extremely old-school umpires who believe earning their stripes means having skin thick enough to take anything a player or coach can put out. Of course, these are probably also the type of guys that will eat every call questioned instead of going to a partner for help when a valid reason exists.

AFAIC, these guys can stay where they are and never move. They are not good for the game or their fellow umpires.

[NC_Blue]

Well....I come from a "player" background, myself.

What I was referring to earlier was a time limit set on a player to leave the area of play. I've just never heard of it.

I run about (on average) < 1 year. These guys know my reputation.....and they know I was "one of them" I played D1 baseball and competitive softball on a national level). We utilize one-man....and I hustle my *** off. It doesn't go unrecognized. I am called to task VERY LITTLE....simply because I put myself in good position.

I don't mind a discussion. I don't mind a heated discussion. I think there IS room in a discussion on an interpretation for emotion. It's invigorating.

I don't have to run many players. It's occurs less and less.....as the years roll by. Tournaments? Different story. I'm good for about 1 per tournament.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by NC_Blue

Well....I come from a "player" background, myself.

As do I, but if I were in charge of a league or running a tourney, those men and women in uniform need me to back them up.

Originally Posted by NC_Blue

What I was referring to earlier was a time limit set on a player to leave the area of play. I've just never heard of it.

Actually, in ASA, check out 5-4-G...

Forfeited games - If the order for the ejection of a player, manager or coach is not obeyed within one minute.

Now, if you do toss someone, don't sit there with a stopwatch, or you'll be asking for trouble. Toss them, wait for them to grab their things, and once they're on their way to the parking lot, resume the game.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Now, if you do toss someone, don't sit there with a stopwatch, or you'll be asking for trouble. Toss them, wait for them to grab their things, and once they're on their way to the parking lot, resume the game.

Agreed. I was making the suggestion to warn the player at the point the player had clearly NOT left and was not in the process of leaving.

Ejected players are not expected to go "poof" - but they are expected to promptly begin gathering their stuff to leave and to then leave. The "one minute" is a tool to ensure that happens.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Agreed. I was making the suggestion to warn the player at the point the player had clearly NOT left and was not in the process of leaving.

Ejected players are not expected to go "poof" - but they are expected to promptly begin gathering their stuff to leave and to then leave. The "one minute" is a tool to ensure that happens.

Not possible! That player/coach is gone. If they are gone, it means they cannot be there.

I will remind the "new" manager. For that matter, that is part of the problem in MLB/MiLB when a team member goes off. They stand there and watch them. Hell, forget the putz you just tossed. Go find out who the sub/replacement his, record their name, tell the scorekeeper(if you have one) what just occurred and return to the plate to continue the game. If the idiot is still putting on his show, consider declaring a forfeit, but first remind the "new" manager that this guy needs to get off the field. If the "new" manager chooses to ignore you, start the process over finding "new" manager #2.

That's why I will not give anyone a big heave-ho. I refuse to be their stooge.