Train Wreck, Malicious Contact, or Obstruction.

[bkbjones]

1. Score the run.
2. Run the runner.
3. If the defensive team would have retired another runner or the batter/runner, ring that one up.
4. Yes, you can have malice without intent - by reason of insanity, which some coach is going to be after this play is done.

[debeau]

NCSA
Of course

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by bkbjones

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4. Yes, you can have malice without intent - by reason of insanity, which some coach is going to be after this play is done.

Don't know if you were joking here... insane coach and all. But anyway,

malice
n.
1 active ill will; desire to harm another or to do mischief; spite
2 Law evil intent; state of mind shown by intention to do, or intentional doing of, something unlawful
malice aforethought (or prepense) a deliberate intention and plan to do something unlawful, as murder

But, a violent collision is not necessarily USC.

[CecilOne]

I thought that weeks ago, we concluded a topic with violent being the interp. of malicious and that runners charging into fielders violently was ejectable regardless of intent. I hope I don't have to look for it, if someone can confirm or deny; might have been NFHS.

[Dakota]

I think that was NFHS; ASA uses the term "flagrant" anyway.

In the context of the OP, a key for me would be did the runner have a reasonable chance to avoid / attempt to avoid, or did her mannerisms indicate intent (raised forearm, diverted path, etc)? She had a right to run full speed through the base with a throw on the way. As already stated 3' is not very far.

Softball is a contact sport.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

I think that was NFHS; ASA uses the term "flagrant" anyway.

After all, to rule malicious contact, the umpire would have to judge "intent" and we all know how ASA feels about that now, don't we?

[ASA/NYSSOBLUE]

No way she should be out

Let me put it this way - My dad drove intercity bus for a living, and one thing all bus drivers HATE is people who pop right in front of a bus, thinking it can stop on a dime...same thing here - no way that kid can stop pn a dime, and even try to alter her path...not in 3 feet...

Dakota:Softball is a contact sport.

Amen, brother

[tmielke]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

I thought that weeks ago, we concluded a topic with violent being the interp. of malicious and that runners charging into fielders violently was ejectable regardless of intent. I hope I don't have to look for it, if someone can confirm or deny; might have been NFHS.

NFHS defines Malicious Contact as contact with excessive force. There is no mention of intent.

Tom

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by tmielke

NFHS defines Malicious Contact as contact with excessive force. There is no mention of intent.

Tom

Thanks, "excessive force" is what I meant by violent, but couldn't remember the wording.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Thanks, "excessive force" is what I meant by violent, but couldn't remember the wording.

"Excessive", not "extreme". Again, like "Malice", "Excess" would imply, "More than necessary", which again, to me, implies or includes intent.

If they wanted unintentional violent contact to warrant an ejection, they would have worded the rule differently or at least included a caseplay to illustrate this.

In every discussion in every clinic I've ever attended, "Malicious" (meaning "with malice") requires intent.