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Bringing the bat through the strikezone with no intent to hit the ball is not a strike. Nothing illegal about this sitch, and it's not our jobs to invent rulings to fit our personal idea of what should and should not be allowed.
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If you truly feel that there was no attempt to hit the ball at all, and only an attempt to interfere .... don't you think that is not a strike, but rather interference?
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Please do not tell me that you would rule INT just because a batter moved the bat without trying to hit the ball.
I guess the next part of this thread will move to the "waving" of the bat at the plate to protect a stealing runner.
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What I mean here is that any such swing designed to protect the runner which remotely coincides with the pitch should be interpreted as an attempt to hit the pitch. The OP's first "swing" was not anywhere near the time the ball crossed the plate, and should not be ruled as an attempt to hit the ball (and based on your first response, I think you agree with that). THIS sitch should be ruled an attempt to hit the ball. Only if the timing of the swing was so far apart from the timing of the pitch that it's only purpose could be to interfere, then it's interference. The "intent" here, for want of a better word, had better be crystal clear if you're going to rule no-strike, interference.
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Swing and a miss -- Strike, hitting the ball on the follow through -- dead ball! While this is a remarkable bit of swinging it is not a hit. If she would have missed on the second time though would you have called strike two? I saw that in a Bugs Bunny cartoon once. Struck out the side on one pitch.
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BuggBob is absolutely correct. This would be a strike and dead ball (foul).
Dakota was right with the definitions but his explanations are wrong. There's nothing in the rulebook of that states the batter has to attempt to hit the ball in order for a pitch to be ruled a strike. What would be the call if a batter swings late (after the catcher has already caught the ball) and the pitch was not in the strike zone? That's a strike in my book. The NCAA and NFHS made interpretations regarding this exact play a few years ago. The batter can only swing at a pitch one time. Contact with the ball by the bat after the first swing is considered a foul ball. I know, MCROWDER will disagree, but intent is not a factor. Using the definitions of a strike: "any pitch ... that is swung at by the batter and missed" and when a pitch starts: "when one hand is taken off the ball or the pitcher makes any motion that is part of the windup...", it is clear that the ruling on this play is a strike and foul ball. Hopefully, you naysayers will own up to the fact that you are wrong this time.
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Still a strike. If the swing was made to "protect the runner" then you have batters INT/F, batter is out, runner goes back to preveious base or third out!
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double swing?????
If the batter was trying to "protect the runner" as another thread implied, then that is int. and should be called.
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If the batter is waving the bat, deliberately delaying the swing or doing any thing to protect the runner, in PU's judgement, other than a true swing to hit the ball, this is batter INT. The batter is not permitted to do anything other than a normal attempt to hit the ball swing. Any other action to PROTECT" the runner in illegal.
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If that act could be construed as interfence, wouldn't fake bunting be as well?
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