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Old Tue May 15, 2007, 07:01pm
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Double swing thru the strike zone

NFHS, last game of the season, no playoff issues for either team. Score is mounting and team A eventually wins 19-2. Late in the game, batter for A decides to experiment/hot dog/accept a dare or whatever. Batting left-handed, just as the ball leaves the pitcher's hand, she swings while stepping forward in the batter's box like a slap-hitter. She is intentionally swinging very early with no intent to hit the ball at this point. She completes her swing, releases her left hand, continues the swing with her right hand, reaches back with her left hand and grabs the swinging bat behind her with her left hand and continues swinging with her left hand in a second swing thru the strike zone. She hits the pitch on the ground in a slap-hit manner and gets an infield hit. Lots of "oohs" and "aahs" and whooping from teammates and fans. Impressive, but is it legal? If not, what rule do you cite? And if she misses the second time, do you call two strikes -- either by rule or playing along with her hot-dogging?
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Old Tue May 15, 2007, 09:11pm
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Unfortunately....

...legal in all respects. In a game management opportunity, couldn't you get her out for "out of the box" or some other phantom reason. I hate when players "hot dog" in any respect.
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Old Tue May 15, 2007, 10:33pm
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Was this done to taunt the opponents?

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3-6-13... Unsporting acts shall not be committed, including, but not limited to:
PENTALTY: (Arts. 11 through 16) The umpire shall eject the offender from the game, unless the offense is judged to be of a minor nature. If minor, the umpire may warn the offender and eject if the offense is repeated. (Arts. 11, 13) For coaches who violate, the umpire may restrict the offender to bench/dugout for the remainder of the game, or eject the offender.
a. use of words or actions to incite or try to incite spectators to demonstrate.
b. use of profanity, intimidation and/or deceitful tactics, or baiting or taunting; or
NOTE: The NFHS disapproves of any form of taunting which is intended or designed to embarrass, ridicule or demean others under circumstances including race, religion, gender or national origin.
c. behavior in any manner not in accordance with the spirit of fair play.
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Old Tue May 15, 2007, 11:11pm
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It didn't appear to be a taunting act. I would characterize it more as a frivolous and playful moment by the batter and her teammates during a game that was clearly decided. Winning team going to the playoffs and having some fun, losing team playing out the season and silently acknowledging and perhaps admiring the skills of the winning team.
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Old Wed May 16, 2007, 02:30am
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It didn't appear to be a taunting act. I would characterize it more as a frivolous and playful moment by the batter and her teammates during a game that was clearly decided. Winning team going to the playoffs and having some fun, losing team playing out the season and silently acknowledging and perhaps admiring the skills of the winning team.
In my book showing off in such a manner is a form of taunting. I've given a nice talking to to a few 1B fielders that upon making a great play on a ball down the line have stood by first base and waited for the runner to get close before stepping on the bag. To me this is a form of taunting equal to saying "you thought you could get one by me, but I'm better than you". Alot of times its the attitude that goes with it, and the context in which it happens. Your case and my example are cases where the spirit of the game is being violated. All it takes is F1 to get offended and decide she is going to put one in the middle of the next batter's back (or the current batter if she had missed) and we've got a nice little battle going on.

For the record though, you can never charge 2 strikes on one pitch.
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Old Wed May 16, 2007, 06:48am
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Showboating/grandstanding maybe, taunting? Give me a break.
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Old Wed May 16, 2007, 07:08am
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It didn't appear to be a taunting act. I would characterize it more as a frivolous and playful moment by the batter and her teammates during a game that was clearly decided. Winning team going to the playoffs and having some fun, losing team playing out the season and silently acknowledging and perhaps admiring the skills of the winning team.
OK, I was just asking... a lot would depend on the atmosphere at the game. Showing off is not necessarily taunting, but I wanted to point out that the high school rules specifically identify taunting as forbidden.
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Old Wed May 16, 2007, 08:46am
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double swing

The batter should have received a strike call. A batter cannot swing more than one time at one pitch. Dead ball, Strike.
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