Was it a catch?

[NC_Blue]

I haven't read the definition this morning......on purpose. I wanted to ask you all.

I had a very soft liner hit to 3B. He moves toward mound (that direction) and as he is attempting to catch the ball......the top of the glove and the ball are on the same plane (almost a sno-cone.....but they're level). At the same time.....he's rolling on the ground.

I'm out from behind the plate (one-man)......and I'm selling a "safe" signal with both arms with everything I have. The runner on 1st is naturally hung up.....and gets forced at 2B.....but that really had nothing to do with the call.

My contention is I saw the ball touching the ground. BUT.....it was also in his glove.

Is this one you'd just have to see? I appreciate all replies.

[MNBlue]

Sounds like you're talking about baseball (He and mound), I don't know those rules.

However, in the NFHS rules, that would be a catch. 2-9-5-f

In ASA, if the catch was made without the assistance of the ground, than it is a catch. If the ball was touching the ground while F5 was gaining possession of the ball, it was a trap - no catch. If F5 gained control before the ball touched the ground, AND F5 proved control and voluntary release, I would have a catch.

[mcrowder]

Generally, it helps to give us the ruleset involved when asking a question. It doesn't ALWAYS matter, but it does often enough.

[NC_Blue]

So are you saying that the ground can't aid in F5 maintaining control?

If the ball comes into contact with the ground DURING the "catch" (or "attempt")......does this have any influence on your call?

"Mound" was used likely incorrectly (for the sticklers). I guess I should have said "Rubber".

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NC_Blue

So are you saying that the ground can't aid in F5 maintaining control?

If the ball comes into contact with the ground DURING the "catch" (or "attempt")......does this have any influence on your call?

Yes, it means it was not a catch

"Mound" was used likely incorrectly (for the sticklers). I guess I should have said "Rubber".

How about "Pitcher's Plate"?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

How about "Pitcher's Plate"?

Or, even, "circle" (if FP).

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Or, even, "circle" (if FP).

No. Though packaged in that shape, I don't think you would ever confuse a rubber with the circle.

[NC_Blue]

The sad thing is, guys.....I'm a damned good umpire.....and it's responses like this that keep me away time after time (and likely others).

Have a great week.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by NC_Blue

The sad thing is, guys.....I'm a damned good umpire...

But, unfortunately, a bit humor challenged, it seems.

Lighten up.

[I Ump 2]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

No. Though packaged in that shape, I don't think you would ever confuse a rubber with the circle.

I hope we are all "damn good umpires" but LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was good - "So what's in your wallet?"

[NC_Blue]

You guys remind me of the readers who write into Playboy to let them know Miss April's earrings didn't match.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by NC_Blue

The sad thing is, guys.....I'm a damned good umpire.....and it's responses like this that keep me away time after time (and likely others).

Have a great week.

Really? What in the world did ANYONE say that upset you? I see nothing at all even mildly insulting.

[NC_Blue]

Generally, it helps to give us the ruleset involved when asking a question. It doesn't ALWAYS matter, but it does often enough.

I stated, up-front, that I wasn't going to look at the def. until I got other responses.

How about "Pitcher's Plate"?

Not pertinent

Or, even, "circle" (if FP).

Not pertinent

But, unfortunately, a bit humor challenged, it seems.

Lighten up.

Not humor challenged.....just didn't SEE any

The picking apart of the situation.....just isn't necessary to derive a conclusion. I've got thick skin......but it's sorta childish.....don't ya think?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by NC_Blue

I've got thick skin...

So you say.

Originally Posted by NC_Blue

...but it's sorta childish...

As I said, lighten up.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by NC_Blue

I stated, up-front, that I wasn't going to look at the def. until I got other responses.

You looking up the rule was not important to what I said. The reason it is important to list the ruleset the game is being played under is so that we can answer your question. Sometimes (not always, but often enough), the answer is different depending on what ruleset you're playing under. The fact that you wanted to ask here before looking it up doesn't tell us which ruleset the game was being played under (and you still haven't ... and it matters this time.)

The picking apart of the situation.....just isn't necessary to derive a conclusion. I've got thick skin......but it's sorta childish.....don't ya think?

Mentions of "Mound" and "Rubber" often imply that someone with a baseball question has wandered in, as these terms only exist in baseball. And if this was a baseball question ... see above. I don't think anyone was picking on you ... just asking you to use softball terms on a softball board (and then making fun of each other ... not you).