Double bag appeal

[Hoosier_Dave]

How is an appeal on the double bag handled?

BR hits slow roller to F4 and is running to 1B. F4 bobbles and throws to F3. BR beats throw to 1B but steps in white bag and not red bag. BR overruns and returns back to bag. If this is a dead ball appeal, rule states that runners are given the opportunity to finish their base running obligations before time is called. I thought that the only live ball appeals are missing a base and leaving too soon on caught fly.

Has anyone had this type of appeal and how did you do it?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Hoosier_Dave

How is an appeal on the double bag handled?

BR hits slow roller to F4 and is running to 1B. F4 bobbles and throws to F3. BR beats throw to 1B but steps in white bag and not red bag. BR overruns and returns back to bag. If this is a dead ball appeal, rule states that runners are given the opportunity to finish their base running obligations before time is called. I thought that the only live ball appeals are missing a base and leaving too soon on caught fly.

Has anyone had this type of appeal and how did you do it?

a) if applicable, this would be a "missed base" appeal, can be live
b) dead ball appeal would be for missed base, not out if returned to base
c) if interference with F3, treat as any INT

[Hoosier_Dave]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

a) if applicable, this would be a "missed base" appeal, can be live

If I understand this correctly, BR hits slow roller to F4, BR beats throw to 1B but only steps on white bag. Therefore, BR is called out on live ball appeal since F3 touched 1B before BR returned to 1B. Granted, after calling her out, need to do a bit of explaining, but fact remains that touching the white base only is a missed base appeal.

I haven't had this, but came close this weekend in a tourney. Girl touched white bag only, but throw beat her, so she was out anyway. Told coach to make sure she knows to touch red bag when going to first.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by Hoosier_Dave

If I understand this correctly, BR hits slow roller to F4, BR beats throw to 1B but only steps on white bag. Therefore, BR is called out on live ball appeal since F3 touched 1B before BR returned to 1B. Granted, after calling her out, need to do a bit of explaining, but fact remains that touching the white base only is a missed base appeal.

I haven't had this, but came close this weekend in a tourney. Girl touched white bag only, but throw beat her, so she was out anyway. Told coach to make sure she knows to touch red bag when going to first.

NO.

You would only call BR out if F3 touched first AND appealed that the runner missed the base. What you are describing is what used to be called an "accidental appeal" in another similar smaller-ball sport, but even there is no longer recognized. A live-ball appeal must be an APPEAL, and it must be obvious.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

NO.

You would only call BR out if F3 touched first AND appealed that the runner missed the base. What you are describing is what used to be called an "accidental appeal" in another similar smaller-ball sport, but even there is no longer recognized. A live-ball appeal must be an APPEAL, and it must be obvious.

I agree on your explanation of the appeal on the missed color portion going by....And is it also true that the runner can come back to either portion of the double bag before being appealed and be safe? If the ball is dead does it change anything?

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

I agree on your explanation of the appeal on the missed color portion going by....And is it also true that the runner can come back to either portion of the double bag before being appealed and be safe? If the ball is dead does it change anything?

1-Once the B-R overruns & then returns to 1B, she may return to either color as Fed looks at this as one double-sized base (when B-R returns to 1B).
2-Yes, think about this - if the ball is dead, where is the runner? Once the ball is dead, the runner is then on the base, so this appeal would not be made during a dead ball

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Hoosier_Dave

How is an appeal on the double bag handled?

BR hits slow roller to F4 and is running to 1B. F4 bobbles and throws to F3. BR beats throw to 1B but steps in white bag and not red bag. BR overruns and returns back to bag. If this is a dead ball appeal, rule states that runners are given the opportunity to finish their base running obligations before time is called.

Very simple. The appeal MUST be a live ball appeal and made prior to the runner in question returning and touching the base.

I thought that the only live ball appeals are missing a base and leaving too soon on caught fly.

This is a missed base.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by Steve M

1-Once the B-R overruns & then returns to 1B, she may return to either color as Fed looks at this as one double-sized base (when B-R returns to 1B).
2-Yes, think about this - if the ball is dead, where is the runner? Once the ball is dead, the runner is then on the base, so this appeal would not be made during a dead ball

Yes, I agree.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

I agree on your explanation of the appeal on the missed color portion going by....And is it also true that the runner can come back to either portion of the double bag before being appealed and be safe? If the ball is dead does it change anything?

Yes, true. The bag only has two halves during a play on BR before BR gets to first. Once BR has passed first, it's just one big base.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Once BR has passed first,

...they are no longer a BR

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Yes, true. The bag only has two halves during a play on BR before BR gets to first. Once BR has passed first, it's just one big base.

How about "Once BR has reached first, it's just one big base"?

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

How about "Once BR has reached first, it's just one big base"?

Better said - good point.

[JefferMC]

So...

The concensus is that the defense has to make a live ball appeal before the runner returns to either portion of the bag to get an out?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by JefferMC

So...

The concensus is that the defense has to make a live ball appeal before the runner returns to either portion of the bag to get an out?

It's the rule.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

It's the rule.

It's nice when the consensus matches the rule.