Poll: BU calling illegal pitch

[NCASAUmp]

In ASA, any umpire is permitted to call illegal pitches. The question is: how many of you actually do it when you're the BU?

[Mountaineer]

You can in Fed too - it depends on what you are calling the IP for. As a PU, I cannot tell if they are crow hopping or leaping so that has to come from the BU. The BU cannot see things like the hands coming together or the feet in relation to the width of the pitching plate so that has to come from the PU.

I have called it but try to always get it when it really doesn't do any more damage than a ball on the batter. And - I try to get it early in the game.

[NCASAUmp]

As long as I make the PU aware I may call it, I do call it. Otherwise, it tends to cause confusion both with inexperienced PUs and the players. I usually call it if a pitcher doesn't start on the mound (I only call SP, not FP or Modified). I see a lot of lazy PUs let the pitcher walk up to the mound and pitch with no stop.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

In ASA, any umpire is permitted to call illegal pitches. The question is: how many of you actually do it when you're the BU?

If you see the pitcher commit a foot, motion or contact violation, call it. Do not rule on the pitch itself.

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

In ASA, any umpire is permitted to call illegal pitches. The question is: how many of you actually do it when you're the BU?

When I see an illegal pitch, I call it - period. As BU, I've got the feet. As PU, I've got the hands. Why wouldn't I call an illegal pitch?

[NCASAUmp]

Man, some days it feels like I'm the only one in our org who calls it from the bases! I think a lot of umpires in our org either don't know they can call it or are too afraid to call it.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

I usually call it if a pitcher doesn't start on the mount

Y'all use a horse in SP???

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Y'all use a horse in SP???

Yep! Makes things interesting.

Actually, we don't use horses here. Apparently, we only use sheep.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Yep! Makes things interesting.

Actually, we don't use horses here. Apparently, we only use sheep.

And here I would have guessed bulls.

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

If you see the pitcher commit a foot, motion or contact violation, call it.

I completely agree. It is no different that a runner circumventing the rules by leaving early on a pitch. Abusing the rules is abusing the rules and we are suppose to catch and penalize those that do so.

In my earlier years, I used to give the pitcher the benefit of the doubt, and 'warn' them that they are doing something illegal, assuming they had a bad habit or some other 'innocent' reason for doing what they were doing. I think I've become a little more cynical, after hearing about some pitching coaches teaching illegal acts 'because they don't call it anyway'.

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Y'all use a horse in SP???

Quote:
Originally Posted by NCASAUmp
I usually call it if a pitcher doesn't start on the mount


Y'all use a horse in SP???
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[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

In my earlier years, I used to give the pitcher the benefit of the doubt, and 'warn' them that they are doing something illegal, assuming they had a bad habit or some other 'innocent' reason for doing what they were doing. I think I've become a little more cynical, after hearing about some pitching coaches teaching illegal acts 'because they don't call it anyway'.

Realizing that I might start a fire-storm with this - I personally don't have a problem with that - to a point. It's called preventive officiating. I don't have a problem telling my catcher to go out and "remind" the pitcher to bring her hands together, or to keep both feet within the 24", etc. It doesn't hurt anyone and allows the game to go smoothly without coaches getting all pi$$y.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

Realizing that I might start a fire-storm with this - I personally don't have a problem with that - to a point. It's called preventive officiating. I don't have a problem telling my catcher to go out and "remind" the pitcher to bring her hands together, or to keep both feet within the 24", etc. It doesn't hurt anyone and allows the game to go smoothly without coaches getting all pi$$y.

In rec leagues, if I see a pitcher breaking the rules, I often remind them between innings. Most of the pitchers in rec ball simply don't know, and most of the time, the batter isn't disadvantaged. But if I see a pitcher do it simply to see what they can get away with, then I hit 'em with it right away.

Tournies, on the other hand, are a different matter. I call it right away, no warning, no hesitation.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

Realizing that I might start a fire-storm with this - I personally don't have a problem with that - to a point. It's called preventive officiating. I don't have a problem telling my catcher to go out and "remind" the pitcher to bring her hands together, or to keep both feet within the 24", etc. It doesn't hurt anyone and allows the game to go smoothly without coaches getting all pi$$y.

I agree. The only problem are the coaches mentioned at the end. Too many are starting to get to the point where they do not want an umpire to talk to their pitcher or catcher.

If you cannot talk to them, you cannot offer a heads up. Problem is these coaches have an ego the size of the outfield and cannot (or will not try to) understand what you are doing.

But you start calling IPs and see how much they like playing by the strict rule.

[DTQ_Blue]

I worked my first tourney this past Saturday. I had a partner at BU who had worked a state semifinal HS game, and several NSA world series. In one of my games, a pitcher knelt down in the circle like Mark Fidrych used to do (but didn't talk to the dirt) and literally pulverized the dirt with the ball. I had to call IP and my partner didn't seem to have a problem with that.

In a later game with the same partner I had a girl start her pitch with her left foot toe touching about 6 inches behind the plate. I called IP (NSA rules). Coach came out, I told him about the rule, he was clueless and thanked me and told his F1to do it the right way. Between innings, partner told me that I should let him make those calls. Pitcher was legal for another inning or so, then reverted to the IPs and partner said nothing.

It was raining by the end of the game so we couldn't talk, but I guess the practice is to let some things go in lower level travel ball.

I say lower level because these were 12U kids who were not exactly elite level players.

I'm sure the next "senior" partner I get will want me to call everything by the book.

I'm getting the opinion that calling IPs is very "indivualistic" from one umpire to another.

Interestingly enough, we had a lights out pitcher here at a No. Va high school 2 years ago who only lost once all year, in the state championship game. My association buddies, said that she pitched illegal all year and that nobody would call it.