Altered bat

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by SRW

It's good to see you (or any umpire, for that matter) attending an ASA clinic.

Can you please cite the rule reference for this situation? Thanks!

Rule 7.Section 6,b,c and Rules Supplement #4

[wadeintothem]

hmm, got my book yesterday but hadnt looked at it yet. I didnt realize they changed that term.

Changing it from POE to supplement was for what exactly?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

hmm, got my book yesterday but hadnt looked at it yet. I didnt realize they changed that term.

Changing it from POE to supplement was for what exactly?

Maybe they decided it was too tiring to "emphasize" the same 30-ish things for years!

Or, truth in labeling... they are actually rules supplements, rather than points the ASA wants to "emphasize" this year.

[Skahtboi]

ASA ruling as cited is correct. Original batter(one now standing on first) is called out and ejected, and the bat is removed from the game, provided that no pitch has been delivered to the second batter using the bat.

[greymule]

In ASA, if Abel gets a hit with an illegal bat and then Baker steps into the box with the same bat, and the umpire becomes aware of the violation before the next pitch, Abel is out and Baker has to get another bat.

However, the book does not say what to do if Baker steps into the box with a different illegal bat.

What if the defense calls attention to Baker's illegal bat, and after you finish dealing with Baker, you discover that Abel's bat was also illegal? No pitch was thrown. Are they both out?

[Ha! I see that I asked a similar question 5 years ago.]

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by greymule

In ASA, if Abel gets a hit with an illegal bat and then Baker steps into the box with the same bat, and the umpire becomes aware of the violation before the next pitch, Abel is out and Baker has to get another bat.

However, the book does not say what to do if Baker steps into the box with a different illegal bat.

What if the defense calls attention to Baker's illegal bat, and after you finish dealing with Baker, you discover that Abel's bat was also illegal? No pitch was thrown. Are they both out?

[Ha! I see that I asked a similar question 5 years ago.]

Rule 7-6,c would cover Baker and he would be called out.

Once Baker is called out we move on to Charles.

At this point how could anyone prove Abel used an altered/illegal bat,anyway?
If the defense provides the bat they allege was used by Abel and it is determined to be altered/illegal the bat will be removed from the game.

[mcrowder]

If Baker has been called out for using an illegal bat, it's too late to do anything regarding Able.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

hmm, got my book yesterday but hadnt looked at it yet. I didnt realize they changed that term.

Changing it from POE to supplement was for what exactly?

A "supplement" can be part of a whole. With the POE, many just cited that as interpretation or guidelines, not necessarily part of the rules.

I would think that by referring to these as "supplements", RSs become part of the rule for the purpose of application and protests.

Just an thought.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

A "supplement" can be part of a whole. With the POE, many just cited that as interpretation or guidelines, not necessarily part of the rules.

I would think that by referring to these as "supplements", RSs become part of the rule for the purpose of application and protests.

Just an thought.

That is a very interesting (and true) thought on it. It most definitely makes it seem more "rulish".

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

A "supplement" can be part of a whole. With the POE, many just cited that as interpretation or guidelines, not necessarily part of the rules.

I would think that by referring to these as "supplements", RSs become part of the rule for the purpose of application and protests.

Just an thought.

So, can I now be assured, then, that the ASA editorial board has removed every case of contradiction / out-of-date wording from the POE's (sorry, Rules Supplements)?

Yah, shur, youbetcha.

[JefferMC]

Wait a minute...

Did Irish and Wade just agree on something?

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by JefferMC

Did Irish and Wade just agree on something?

They agree quite often, actually ... just not usually on a post initiated by Wade. But on posts initiated by the general populus, you can generally count on both of them to be in agreement (and correct as well).