Made me think

[CecilOne]

It seems to me that if we expect the defense to know tha count and attempt the put out at 2nd, then we should expect the offense to know she has successfully stolen a base and remain there on her own or with coach's instructions.

[azbigdawg]

You were right....put her back on 2nd.....

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

It seems to me that if we expect the defense to know tha count and attempt the put out at 2nd, then we should expect the offense to know she has successfully stolen a base and remain there on her own or with coach's instructions.

Yes, but what's your point. What are you saying should or should not have been done?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Yes, but what's your point. What are you saying should or should not have been done?

That those expressing an opinion on the case or proposing a ruling should consider what I said.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

That those expressing an opinion on the case or proposing a ruling should consider what I said.

I've read and reread what you said. I have no idea what you mean by it. If you are saying the offense has the onus of knowing not to go back to first, I would ask how you are letting her leave 2nd and head to 1st during a dead ball period? You wouldn't let her head to third, right? She can't go anywhere (fore or back) while the ball is dead. If I've misunderstood your point, please enlighten me.

[fastpitch]

Where does it say there would be a difference if the count was not announced? Would you do anything different in same situation on dropped second strike and B/R advances to 1B drawing a throw?

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by fastpitch

Where does it say there would be a difference if the count was not announced??

There is no difference whether the count is announced or not. It is the responsibility of both benches to know the count, and for that matter all game situations, at all times. In the case of the OP, the runner who advanced to second did so at her own risk, and in jeopardy of being put out. The problem was, the defense wasn't aware of the situation.

Originally Posted by fastpitch

Would you do anything different in same situation on dropped second strike and B/R advances to 1B drawing a throw?

Nope. The runner could legally advance, again in jeopardy of being thrown out, and the batter would come back to complete her turn at bat. Again, the onus is on both the offense and defense to know the game situation.

[fastpitch]

I agree that the coach should know. Now if he had asked the count and received the wrong one we have a different circumstance. I believe Steve's question relates to a finer point of professionalism and umpire mecahnics than where my question led.