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Old Tue Oct 10, 2006, 09:35am
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How would you handle a situation like this?

I had a partner this weekend who seemed to be baiting players and coaches so that he could toss them. First time it happened, he called a mid shin high strike that the batter apparently turned and looked incredulously at him. Next thing I know she is DQ'ed. After that inning was over, I asked what happened. He stated that she turned and looked at him, so he asked her if she had a problem with the strike zone. Apparently she replied, "with that one, yes." So...he benched her.

Trouble is, after one inning, he allowed her back into the game. I told him that there was nothing in the rules to support this, and that he was opening himself up to a protest from the offended team. He stated that he was his decision, so he was going to stand by it. He felt the player just needed a cooling off period.

Then in another game, he walked over to the dugout of the defensive team and gets into an argument with the coach, apparently over some comment he overheard him make to his assistant coaches. During this argument, as I am coming in the infield to make sure nothing gets out of hand, I over hear my partner keep saying things along the lines of, "if you want to stay in this ballgame just keep your mouth shut, " and " you do want to stay in this game, don't you?"

I just felt this behavior was unprofessional, and probably, under ordinary circumstances would have mentioned it to the UIC. So now you are probably wondering why I didn't mention it to the UIC. Well...that's because this partner was the UIC filling in a couple of missing spots where other umpires failed to show.
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Old Tue Oct 10, 2006, 10:03am
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Old Tue Oct 10, 2006, 10:33am
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Old Tue Oct 10, 2006, 12:08pm
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Next, you're probably going to tell us it was a youth game.
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Old Tue Oct 10, 2006, 01:01pm
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Next, you're probably going to tell us it was a youth game.

Yes. 16U.
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Old Tue Oct 10, 2006, 01:09pm
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When I first started working ASA ball in 91, we had someone like that. In fact, I was working a a game where just about the same stuff happened - baiting people so he could kick them out and go home early in a Sunday morning mens league...when I was done, I went home (about 20 miles), changed and went up to the local park where a FP tourney was going on. Our assignor, who also happened to be New York UIC, was there...and somehow in those pre-cell phone days, the first question out of his mouth was : "What happened down there?" We always said that Bernie knew all, but this was ridiculous! BTW, the ump in question never worked again....
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Old Tue Oct 10, 2006, 12:09pm
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How would you handle a situation like this?
There is obviously no rule that allows him to temporarily "bench" a player in ASA. And even in Fed, which allows restricting to the bench in certain circumstances, the "benching" of a player is for the entire game.

The second situation was just having rabbit ears and being stupid. It also sounded like his threats to eject were empty (since he said it at least twice and never ejected anyone?).

How would I handle this behavior by the UIC? I'd stay as far away as possible so as to not get drawn into his little confrontations and hope things don't get out of hand.

After the game??? BFOM.

Have you called with him before? Hopefully, this behavior is not typical ... was he letting his frustation with having to sub for an umpire who didn't show up overflow into the game?? Is there anyone to report this to, and would it matter?
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Old Tue Oct 10, 2006, 01:00pm
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After the game??? BFOM.
Buy a farm outside Minneapolis????

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Have you called with him before?
No.

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Hopefully, this behavior is not typical ... was he letting his frustation with having to sub for an umpire who didn't show up overflow into the game?? Is there anyone to report this to, and would it matter?
Who knows if he was letting his frustration show? That is still no excuse. The only person I know to report it to would be the president of the association. I don't know if it would do any good.
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Old Tue Oct 10, 2006, 04:00pm
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Buy a farm outside Minneapolis????


But, actually, BFOM is an acronym that contains an expletive . Loosly translated it means "I don't know."

Anyone else care to take a shot? (Just be careful out there!)
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Old Wed Oct 11, 2006, 03:25pm
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I just felt this behavior was unprofessional, and probably, under ordinary circumstances would have mentioned it to the UIC. So now you are probably wondering why I didn't mention it to the UIC. Well...that's because this partner was the UIC filling in a couple of missing spots where other umpires failed to show.
Scott,

Were you in the big A town? Not Mr. JO was it?
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Old Thu Oct 12, 2006, 08:22am
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Scott,

Were you in the big A town? Not Mr. JO was it?
Yes to both counts. Are you shocked???
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Old Thu Oct 12, 2006, 09:45am
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Yes to both counts. Are you shocked???
Shocked??? Unfortunately, NO. Figured it had to be either JO or JB. Are you going to follow up with anyone?
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Old Thu Oct 12, 2006, 10:46am
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Shocked??? Unfortunately, NO. Figured it had to be either JO or JB. Are you going to follow up with anyone?
I plan to mention it to the prez.
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Old Thu Oct 12, 2006, 10:47am
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Shocked??? Unfortunately, NO. Figured it had to be either JO or JB. Are you going to follow up with anyone?
By the way, where have you been? I haven't seen you on the field in a while.
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Old Fri Oct 13, 2006, 06:53am
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By the way, where have you been? I haven't seen you on the field in a while.
Too many tourneys in Big D . . . not getting released to work elsewhere. Got into HS VB, so that is taking up most of my weeknights.
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