tag on batter/runner

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

If you had any inkling that your partner may have more information to add, absolutely.

Mike, if you had already called her out, you would go to your partner without any prompting from the coaches?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

Mike, if you had already called her out, you would go to your partner without any prompting from the coaches?

No, but the post to which I was responding specifically stated that the coach asked Shipwreck to go for help.

[Dakota]

Assume you are the BU not 100% sure of the tag, but if you had to make the call, you would call the out. You glance at your partner and it appears that he has a good look at the play. What is the best way to handle this?

a) Make the call (OUT). If the coach requests, you go to your parter for help.
b) Make the call (SAFE), and then check with your partner on your own.
c) Point to your partner (giving up the call).

[shipwreck]

How about d) Make the call (SAFE). If the coach requests, you go to your partner for help. Dave

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Assume you are the BU not 100% sure of the tag, but if you had to make the call, you would call the out. You glance at your partner and it appears that he has a good look at the play. What is the best way to handle this?

a) Make the call (OUT). If the coach requests, you go to your parter for help.
b) Make the call (SAFE), and then check with your partner on your own.
c) Point to your partner (giving up the call).

My answer is a variation of B.

I'm not going to do anything on the tag/no tag. I will let the play finish, then go to my partner with the question - DID YOU SEE A TAG? My call will be made as a result of the answer.

I will also watch the succeeding actions of the BR and/or fielder. If the BR gives up running and starts for the dugout, I'm calling the out. If the fielder reaches for the tag, then turns and throws the ball to first, I will make the call based on what happens at first base.

[CecilOne]

Unless you are sure you saw an actual tag, the runner is safe; until your partner convinces you otherwise or it's raining in the seventh inning of a blowout.

[Antonella]

About this issue I agree with those who say 'call SAFE and - if requested - go for help to your partner'.
BTW in a game I saw 1 month ago a very difficult situation occurred:
Bottom of VII
Home team down by only a run (can't remember... something like 2-3 or so)
Runner on 3rd
Two outs
BU is of course positioned behind 2-3 line
Batter hits a gounder to SS and the subsequent throw was not perfect
1st baseman had to move a little in the direction of home
There was a swipe tag (very very fast and with BR very close to 1st base)

BU called SAFE (because NOT sure about the tag and used also the pointing to say BR was safe because of pulled foot)

Now defensive coach asked TIME and go to BU, saying BR was out because of the tag and asking him to go for help to his partner

Two umpires had a little talk and PU convinced BU the tag was real and effectively BR was out...
'Have the right call' was the filosophy of BU... game end.

They needed an escort to reach dressing rooms...

Ciao

P.S. Sometimes I hate two-umpire-system... because of this kind of problems!!!

[Antonella]

I forgot to ask: if you were PU... did you say something BEFORE BU calls this?

Grazie e ciao

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Antonella

... Bottom of VII

Game played in Rome?

Originally Posted by Antonella

I forgot to ask: if you were PU... did you say something BEFORE BU calls this?

Grazie e ciao

No. Wait for your partner to ask.

I agree that this call has its problems with the 2 man system, but the request from the defensive coach and the umpire conference are all a normal part of it, too. Sounds like some fans / players need to get a grip.

[Leecedar]

Originally Posted by Andy

My answer is a variation of B.

I'm not going to do anything on the tag/no tag. I will let the play finish, then go to my partner with the question - DID YOU SEE A TAG? My call will be made as a result of the answer.

I will also watch the succeeding actions of the BR and/or fielder. If the BR gives up running and starts for the dugout, I'm calling the out. If the fielder reaches for the tag, then turns and throws the ball to first, I will make the call based on what happens at first base.

THERE WE GO! I Wholeheartedly agree with Andy... why? Because that's exactly what I do whenever I'm in the situation. There are a ton of times that a tag is made when we cannot judge a tag in the chute... that's why we have two of us guys in blue shirts (etc. etc. etc.) out there. Our buddy behind the dish is looking up the line FOR THAT REASON. So, treat it the same as a pulled foot... if you're not sure that the foot stayed on the bag, point, ask the question, and get the answer.

Lee

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

No, but the post to which I was responding specifically stated that the coach asked Shipwreck to go for help.

Mike, I think you have stolen my filter - I don't read it that way.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

Mike, I think you have stolen my filter - I don't read it that way.

Really? Here is an excerpt from the post to which I responded.

and the coach came out and asked me if I would ask my partner,

How else can you read it?