Removing helmet on base.

[Time_Blue]

During the world cup a player was called out for removing her helmet after the play was over. ASA rules say.... descretion by the umpire should be used in calling her out. Are the ISF rules different from ASA. I agree with the announcers. ....that was a picky call.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Time_Blue

During the world cup a player was called out for removing her helmet after the play was over. ASA rules say.... descretion by the umpire should be used in calling her out. Are the ISF rules different from ASA. I agree with the announcers. ....that was a picky call.

Probably is a picky rule (i'm not familiar with the ISF rules) .. but in anycase, when you are playing at the level, those calls are going to be made. If the rules read the runner is out, its an out.. and it would be difficult for an umpire to say "im not going to enforce that rule". I doubt the umpire liked making the call, but it would have to be made.

also, if a rule, very bone headed by the runner.

[debeau]

ISF state simply the runner will be called out on a live ball play if the helmet was removed deliberatley .
I saw this and thought it was a crap out as there was no play on the runner .
The coach could well have had a grounds for a protest , but then most coaches think removeing the helmet at any time is an out .

[CecilOne]

If the rule says "live ball play" and "play was over" means dead ball, is it then a wrong call?

[mcrowder]

"Play was over" doesn't mean dead ball unless you're playing slowpitch or an umpire actually calls "Time!"

[tcblue13]

If we define play like we do on LBR, then something has to be happening on the field such as the D throwing the ball to the fielder closest to the play. Absent this, there is really not a live ball play.

If R1 is stopped on 3B and the ball is thrown leisurly to F4 from F9 as there is no play at first or third and R1 is obviously not attempting to go home. As R1 is standing on the bag, she sees the "non urgency" of the action and takes off her helmet to fix her hair and to pull up her socks. For no reason, F4 rifles the ball to F5 and conks R1 in the head. That might be considered a live ball play even though the assumption would be that F4 would throw the ball to F1. Maybe F4 is fishing for that out. Would USC would be out of the question on F4 since there was no real reason to throw the ball to F5?? I doubt it because the D can throw the ball around if they want as long as they don't unnecessarily delay the game.
Just thinking at the keyboard

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

"Play was over" doesn't mean dead ball unless you're playing slowpitch or an umpire actually calls "Time!"

I was asking about his sitch description, not the rule.