You Gotta Love It

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

With all due respect, what is there to debate?

Some rules say "bat ninth" instead of "bat last" and some say the dreaded "last out". Some tournament rules confuse the situation with some semantic variation and time limit application, etc. Some people don't know whether it is actually a rule and some States have nonsense like waiting until the 10th inning.

But, even with that, what the debate is about is a mystery.

[baldgriff]

We have always played it that there would only be 2 outs in the inning essentially starting with 1 out also. A TD is stating that there are no outs to start the inning.

Personally I dont care one way or the other, just curious.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by baldgriff

We have always played it that there would only be 2 outs in the inning essentially starting with 1 out also. A TD is stating that there are no outs to start the inning.

Personally I dont care one way or the other, just curious.

You may have played it that way; but it isn't the rule, either in international play (ISF) where it was first adopted, ASA, NFHS, or NCAA.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by baldgriff

We have always played it that there would only be 2 outs in the inning essentially starting with 1 out also. A TD is stating that there are no outs to start the inning.

Personally I dont care one way or the other, just curious.

What is the purpose of the Tiebreaker Rule? (Hint: it is in the name.)

How is that purpose served by starting the inning with 1 out?

The TD was correct. The "start with 1 out" is nonsense in every sense of the word.

BTW, speaking ASA, it is a real rule. 5-11.

BTW#2, speaking ASA again, the title of the rule is "TIE-BREAKER RULE" (no "International"). Maybe ASA inherited the rule from ISF, I dunno.

[GregM]

Last night was the first time I have had to deal with using the International tiebreaker rule with me actually being part of the game instead of just spectating. I was umpiring in the field.
I know that most on here are at hight schol level or above and this is just my second year at rec ball. Dizzy Dean to be more specific.
Our rule says that the last batted out goes to second. I have read on here that the player batting last in the order in the tie breaking inning goes to second, but I have a hard time seeing the connection between these two references.
Last night we had a runner on first with two out. The BR hits one deep into the outfield and the runner that was on first got thrown out going into third for the last out.
The visiting team's coach, and league president, said that it is the last person who batted is who goes to second to start the tiebreaker, however, he was not put out.
It seems to me that the term "last batted out" would refer to the player who made the last out and who actually batted. In my reasoning, this term is used to keep a speedy coutesy runner who made the last out to go to second, thus keeping a speedster from starting at second base. In this case it would go to the player who made the second out providing that they actually did bat.
I am just looking for any clarification on this term that I can find.
Thank you for your time.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by GregM

Last night was the first time I have had to deal with using the International tiebreaker rule with me actually being part of the game instead of just spectating. I was umpiring in the field.
I know that most on here are at hight schol level or above and this is just my second year at rec ball. Dizzy Dean to be more specific.
Our rule says that the last batted out goes to second. I have read on here that the player batting last in the order in the tie breaking inning goes to second, but I have a hard time seeing the connection between these two references.
Last night we had a runner on first with two out. The BR hits one deep into the outfield and the runner that was on first got thrown out going into third for the last out.
The visiting team's coach, and league president, said that it is the last person who batted is who goes to second to start the tiebreaker, however, he was not put out.
It seems to me that the term "last batted out" would refer to the player who made the last out and who actually batted. In my reasoning, this term is used to keep a speedy coutesy runner who made the last out to go to second, thus keeping a speedster from starting at second base. In this case it would go to the player who made the second out providing that they actually did bat.
I am just looking for any clarification on this term that I can find.
Thank you for your time.

Greg, welcome to the boards. To use the phrase, "the batter scheduled to bat last in this inning" is just a way to keep it simple about who goes to second at the start of ITB play. If you say something like "the last person batting last inning" or "the last out of last inning," you could potentially place the wrong person by rule on the base. I suggest that, to keep it clear, you start thinking and saying "the batter scheduled to bat last this inning" so that you are always assured of having the correct person on base. You are correct about the reasoning of the rule, to prevent "special" runners from always assuming that position.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Dakota

...the title of the rule is "TIE-BREAKER RULE" (no "International"). Maybe ASA inherited the rule from ISF, I dunno.

But ITB rolls off the tongue so much easier than TBR. Go ahead, try it!

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

But ITB rolls off the tongue so much easier than TBR. Go ahead, try it!

Slow reader?

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

But ITB rolls off the tongue so much easier than TBR. Go ahead, try it!

True, but TBR sounds very similar to PBR and PBR is pretty much why we want the game to be over!

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

True, but TBR sounds very similar to PBR and PBR is pretty much why we want the game to be over!

PBR? You set your sights pretty low, man. Get some good beer! Leinenkugel's or Sprecher might be near you.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

PBR? You set your sights pretty low, man. Get some good beer! Leinenkugel's or Sprecher might be near you.

But Lienies sounds like hin... nevermind...

Besides, the best beer around here is Summit Pale Ale. Not that cheesehead Lienies.

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

PBR? You set your sights pretty low, man. Get some good beer! Leinenkugel's or Sprecher might be near you.

I have pretty low standards. Ice cold, free are basically the two requirements I'm looking to satisfy.

[Stu Clary]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

True, but TBR sounds very similar to PBR and PBR is pretty much why we want the game to be over!

PBR? Professional Bull Riding? The programming honchos at ESPN2 will be pleased. Well, at least I know someone watches that stuff.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Stu Clary

PBR? Professional Bull Riding? The programming honchos at ESPN2 will be pleased. Well, at least I know someone watches that stuff.

The fact that this comment is coming from someone from Vacaville is even more amusing to me. For those who don't habla, "vaca" means "cow."

Sounds like someone's been watching The Ocho too much.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by baldgriff

We have always played it that there would only be 2 outs in the inning essentially starting with 1 out also. A TD is stating that there are no outs to start the inning.

Personally I dont care one way or the other, just curious.

I would care.
If the purpose is to break the tie by making scoring easier, why in the world would anyone want to start with an out?