NW vs. Bama and Plate Umpire!

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by tcannizzo

The 3B umpire in the NW/AL game was the same Lisa Harvey behind the plate in the UCLA/TN game.

How does the 3B ump EVER signal FOUL BALL on a ball bounding over 3B? That is a rookie mistake in making the call, and doubly worse that it was the wrong call, triple worse that it contradicted the PU. She was lost out there, but she has being given "the opportunity" based on way more than her skill.

That's not correct, Tony. The U3 in NW vs AL was Sally Walker, U1 was Diane Beasley, and PU was Scott Thomas; their other game was AZ vs OSU. Lisa's crew (Jeff Sloan and John Kurnat) worked UCLA vs TN, and ASU vs TX.

Lisa Harvey is an exceptional umpire, who very much earned her way; as has Sally Walker. This is not either's first time to the NCAA WCWS.

But, I can't say I know what Sally was doing on that play.

[tcannizzo]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

But, I can't say I know what Sally was doing on that play.

If I was any kind of guy, I would say, "Give the girl a break".

Thanks for the right names.

[benbret]

I have always been told that if an umpire calls the ball foul then it is foul no matter where it goes. It was clear that the third base umpire called this ball foul. How can they keep playing? Is there a case book play that covers this situation. What if the plate umpire had called it foul and the third base umpire called it fair. Would we just play on? It clearly would put one team at a disadvatage.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by benbret

I have always been told that if an umpire calls the ball foul then it is foul no matter where it goes. It was clear that the third base umpire called this ball foul. How can they keep playing? Is there a case book play that covers this situation. What if the plate umpire had called it foul and the third base umpire called it fair. Would we just play on? It clearly would put one team at a disadvatage.

I doubt there was a "verbal" call of foul and the PU probably already indicated fair.

The worst case scenario would be to place the BR on 1B and advance any runner forced.

[Blu_IN]

If that was Sally Walker, she is a very well respected ump. I unfortunately, haven't had a chance to watch any games this year with work, so I didn't even know she was working the WS. Perhaps, she just had a bad game? You hope it doesn't happen at the CSWS, but hey, it can creep on you at any time.

[orangeump]

more importantly lets talk about the four minute arguement that took place between the NW coach and the three umps.

They broke for commercial arguing and came back and it was still going! Probably around the 8th inning. line drive to LF, who catches and throws to first...what on earth could this arguement be about?!


A little PS about the First base ump in this game; I was once assigned a tourmament in Peoria, IL where she was also assigned. She got her assignment and told the UIC that she doesnt work 12 and under softball because she is "an SEC umpire" real great attitude to have. She told the UIC to move her up or she is going home; she went back to Tenn that day.

[Antonella]

Couldn’t believe my eyes… This topic is a PUBLIC one.
And some of YOU umpires express the WORST attitude an umpire may have: mud on a collegue!
No matter if he/she is a respected umpire, no matter if he/she has a top-level (difficult) game to deal with… he/she under the spot and just for this reason deserves to be put down!
It’s a shame. And I really feel ashamed for you ALL.

What I teach in training sessions here in Italy (in our small wolrd of small softball umpires) is ‘never criticize another umpire’ and ‘when you cannot say something good about him/her, simply shut up and move away’!!
On this board… well my friends, I learned a lot here…
But this time it was not good stuff…

I do not leave in a World of Dreams. I perfectly know umpires are not perfect. I can detect an umpire’s mistake if and when I see one. Even when a mistake is something only another umpire can get. I often discuss about this kind of situation with other umpires FAR AWAY from other than umpire’s ears! …but what ALL this topic as to do with this? Nothing. To me: there was someone assigned where someone else couldn’t get assigned and this someone else is feeling bad about this…

Am I wrong?

Ciao