Two people on one base

[tcblue13]

1 out
R1 on first
BR hits ball to LF and ball gets by F7
R1 holds up at second but BR keeps trotting and stops at second.
Ball arrives to F1 in the circle
DC starts yelling about an out at 2nd because 2 girls are on the same base.
The lone PU does not make a call and feels like explaining the rule to DC puts the O at an unfair disadvantage since the D ought to know how to get the out.
DC instructs F1 to pitch to the next batter.
OC requests time

1. Has playing action stopped on the previous play?
2. Does PU allow a batter to step in?
3. Does PU grant time to OC a) prior to F1 throwing a pitch b) after a subsequnt pitch?
4. Can OC fix the problem if time is granted since BR legally occupies 1B?
5. Once DC decides to pitch to batter does PU call time and send BR back to 1B?

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by tcblue13

1. Has playing action stopped on the previous play?
no
2. Does PU allow a batter to step in?
no
3. Does PU grant time to OC a) prior to F1 throwing a pitch b) after a subsequnt pitch?neither - no pitch, runners must complete running before a pitch
4. Can OC fix the problem if time is granted since BR legally occupies 1B?no
5. Once DC decides to pitch to batter does PU call time and send BR back to 1B?if pitcher attempts (not coach deciding), then "dead ball, no pitch". I would then call R2 out.

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[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by tcblue13

1 out
R1 on first
BR hits ball to LF and ball gets by F7
R1 holds up at second but BR keeps trotting and stops at second.
Ball arrives to F1 in the circle
DC starts yelling about an out at 2nd because 2 girls are on the same base.
The lone PU does not make a call and feels like explaining the rule to DC puts the O at an unfair disadvantage since the D ought to know how to get the out.
DC instructs F1 to pitch to the next batter.

Speaking ASA

At this point, the umpire should have killed everything and returned R2 to 1st base. Remaining infomation and questions are extraneous.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Speaking ASA

At this point, the umpire should have killed everything and returned R2 to 1st base. Remaining infomation and questions are extraneous.

Why? Shouldn't the ump wait to see the outcome as long as all action is legal and not give either team (in this case, offense) an advantage?

[IRISHMAFIA]

No.................

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

No.................

OK, mind changed.

[mcrowder]

Once it is clear that defense is not going to do anything about this, kill it.

If the OFFENSE wakes up and BR tries to head back to 1st, you have an out on LBR. If the DEFENSE wakes up and tries to play on the runner, play on.

But if No One tries to fix it, we have to, and since you can't grant an out (no one has really done anything illegal), the only remedy is to send BR back to 1st.

[tcblue13]

Doesn't calling R1 out after a subsequent pitch give the D an advantage? You are awarding them an out when they hosed the play?

[Dakota]

Once the defense indicates indifference to the situation (I would consider the DC instructing his pitcher to pitch - which the PU should not allow - as indifference), the PU should kill the play and return BR to 1B.

There is an ASA case play to back this up, but I don't have the case book with me at the moment.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Once the defense indicates indifference to the situation (I would consider the DC instructing his pitcher to pitch - which the PU should not allow - as indifference), the PU should kill the play and return BR to 1B.

There is an ASA case play to back this up, but I don't have the case book with me at the moment.

Play 10.8-3 (p. 108)
R1 on 2B, R2 on 1B when B3 hits the ball to F6. R1 holds up as R2 advances to 2B. F6 throws out B3 as both R1 and R2 stand on 2B. F6 throws out B3 as both R1 and R2 stand on 2B. The defense does not notice and the ball is thrown to the pitcher. No further play is apparent.

Ruling: The umpire should call "time." The runners should be awarded the base they would legally occupy. R2 is returned to 1B. (10-8H; 10-1)