Courtesy Runner

[rocker45]

Our HS coach entered a courtesy for our catcher in the 1st & 3rd innings. She later used the same girl as a pinch hitter. I am a firm believer that this was illegal as the player had already entered. Any ideas on this? THX

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by rocker45

Our HS coach entered a courtesy for our catcher in the 1st & 3rd innings. She later used the same girl as a pinch hitter. I am a firm believer that this was illegal as the player had already entered. Any ideas on this? THX

Rocker,
I am going to assume that you're using Fed rules, since this was a high school team. A CR is a player who has not been in this game, but is eligible to come in. A CR for the catcher may not be a CR for the pitcher. But, the CR may be used as a sub in a later half-inning. From your description, I suspect this was perfectly legal.

typo - nothing like reading your post later on & having a fat-finger job jump out.

[Strike3UROUT]

Courtesy runners CAN pinch hit later in the game.

If a pinch runner came in twice then her re-entries would be over and she would be done for the day. Maybe this is what you are thinking about.

[whiskers_ump]

Originally Posted by rocker45

Our HS coach entered a courtesy for our catcher in the 1st & 3rd innings. She later used the same girl as a pinch hitter. I am a firm believer that this was illegal as the player had already entered. Any ideas on this? THX

Like Steve says. Only thing I am wondering is, did the coach keep the girl in the lineup or take her out, then use her as a CR. This would be illegal.

[rocker45]

Yes! She pinch ran twice and the catcher re-entered. She didn't stay in to play a position, however , she pinch hit an inning later. Thanks for the input!

[rocker45]

The reason I'm asking is I use TurboStats for Softball on my PC and when I went to enter the stats for this player, she had scored 2 runs as a CR, but she had only 1 AB. The stat software figured it was impossible to score 2 runs with only 1 AB and it kicks up an error. I want to track her runs and her AB's but they just don't jive!

[Stat-Man]

Speaking Fed [/disclaimer]

A courtesy runner for the pitcher or catcher can enter for them any time they reach base. By rule, this is not considered a substitution.

Now, a CR can later enter the game for another player as a sub, but then they lose the ability to be a CR for the remainder of the game.

Hope this helps

PS: Thats why I've been too leery of using a baseball/softball stat program. It might not understand all the nuances of the game, such as the CR rule as you've pointed out with your software. I use an excel template. More manual work, but at least it's ina format _I_ like and the coaches tolerate.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by rocker45

Yes! She pinch ran twice and the catcher re-entered. She didn't stay in to play a position, however , she pinch hit an inning later. Thanks for the input!

A CR is not a pinch-runner and is not considered as having entered the game as a substitute.

[whiskers_ump]

Originally Posted by rocker45

Yes! She pinch ran twice and the catcher re-entered. She didn't stay in to play a position, however , she pinch hit an inning later. Thanks for the input!

If she pinched ran twice and the catcher re-entered each time....Delaware we have a problem. However, if she was utilized as a CR twice, then the catcher did not re-enter, she just continued playing her position.

Did not want to involve Texas again in the conversation because of our other posts....

[rocker45]

CR twice and did not play a position, but later pinch hit.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by rocker45

CR twice and did not play a position, but later pinch hit.

Which as has been posted, is completely legal, in DE & TX

[rocker45]

In Kentucky!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by rocker45

In Kentucky!

Hell, just about everything is legal in KY

[mcrowder]

I think the only difference between Fed rules in KY and in TX or DE is that after she is a courtesy runner twice, and then legally pinch hits, she can still marry her cousin in the evening in KY.

[CecilOne]

Legal in all the States that actually follow published rules, all rule sets, as long as it is not in the same half-inning the player was a CR. As said, a CR has not "entered".